Anthos – Build and manage modern hybrid applications

[yRetsyM]

> Anthos is a subscription-based service, with the list prices starting at $10,000/month per 100 vCPU block. Enterprise prices then to be up for negotiation, though, so many customers will likely pay less.

> Google will offer a single managed service that will let you manage and deploy workloads across clouds [...] This is Google, after all, managing your applications for you on AWS and Azure

from: https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/09/googles-anthos-hybrid-clou...

[spullara]

All the pages have "Contact Sales" as the first call to action.

[_jezell_]

Not to mention that it requires other licenses and hardware to work in the first place, so your total licensing cost is quite a bit higher than that:

"What's required to run Anthos? Anthos has multiple components. Among these, running GKE On-Prem requires vCenter 6.5 in order to create VMs for the GKE On-Prem cluster. Additionally, GKE On-Prem integrates with F5 BIG-IP load balancers in order to provide layer 4 load balancing."

At least AWS Outposts and Azure Stack include all the hardware and all the licenses in the box.

[k__]

lol, guess their new CEO did use the "Oracle Playbook" as he promised...

[foobarbazetc]

Lol. I was wondering why there was no download link.

[ec109685]

I wonder why they make things so crazy expensive or aren’t upfront about enterprise / volume pricing.

[minimaxir]

The Google Next Keynote (where this was just announced) is emphasizing the multicloud/cloud agnostic/on-prem capabilities, which given the emphasis on cloud lock-in nowadays is not what I expected.

[deanCommie]

It's Google's competitive advantage, and is still ultimately about lock-in.

Buy in to Kubernetes, buy in to Google Anthos, have the appearance of flexibility, but get used to GCP's tooling, quirks, documentation, etc, etc, and before long you're considering GC as the first option for all new development.

It makes perfect sense from where they are in the market.

[regnerba]

Anyone seen any more details on Anthos Migrate?

Google is launching the first beta of Anthos Migrate today. This service will auto-migrate VMs from on-premises or other clouds into containers in the Google Kubernetes Engine. The promise here is that this is essentially an automatic process and once the container is on Google’s platform

Edit: They demoed it on stage a few minutes after I asked... should have just waited. >.<

[_jezell_]

I'm not sure what the logic here is compared to AWS Outposts and Azure Stack. AWS Outposts and Azure stack support a very large number of Azure services and Anthos just supports GKE and Istio? So there's no first class story for basic things like queues and blob storage? How many people really use Kubernetes without needing a persistent volume claim?

I like the idea of something you can just install and run on your existing hardware, but that doesn't seem to be the goal of this either as they only support a single router and a single proprietary virtualization platform. That seems even worse than just giving you a box you can plug in like AWS and Azure.

Bigger question is what is it going to take for Google to offer anything more than this? Google has very restrictive source code policies internally, so I'd guess they'd be extremely reluctant to let the binaries for things like BigTable which run all of Google and GCP leave their network. Do they rewrite all their services or let BigTable run outside of firewall and throw an atomic clock in the box?

[cavisne]

The same limitations apply to the other on prem services. Theres no way the real EBS control and data plane is running on prem, its just some compatible service.

Outposts has a limited feature set if you arent using vsphere, and Azure uses Microsoft's existing private cloud/on prem stack.

Enterprises are scared of one way bad decisions so if GC can convince them containerizing and moving their apps to kubernetes first is worth it over "lift and shift" this could go well. One of the few competitive advantages google has for enterprises is they can point to Amazon and Azure being forced to add managed Kubernetes services, because customers wanted that instead of a proprietary orchestrator.

[andrewrynhard]

Interesting. Sounds a lot like my OSS project Talos: https://github.com/talos-systems/talos. Very similar goals too.

[cpursley]

Did they also steal your logo? Those are pretty close.

[mistrial9]

What is the story here (andrew) ?

[pinewurst]

Google has decided to imitate AWS for ridiculously non-obvious service names.

[PanosJee]

They are total legit if you speak Greek. Now engineers get to know Greek words like MDs :D

[aurailious]

So is Google deciding to use Greek names for all their cloud services now?

[PanosJee]

Hahaha and my last startup was called sfalma (σφάλμα) which stands for error but nobody could pronounce. Unless it became a Google project. Kubernetes is pretty hard core too

[alchemism]

In the fine Graeco-Roman "Pentium" tradition, yes.

[reilly3000]

I'm a little confused by their landing page, is this a product/packaging made for on-prem users only, or some general GKE config management that applies to all GKE customers?

[DebtDeflation]

Response to IBM's strategy re: the Red Hat acquisition?

[pm90]

No. IBM is flailing around trying to innovate it’s way out of real financial constraints that affect their bottom lines. They’ve managed to stay relevant only through acquisitions; most smart engineers have a pretty negative view of them, for good reasons: it’s not an engineering first company, it’s a sales first company, and it won’t survive for very long when most people figure out their Watson AI is a hot pile of garbage.

[inscrutable]

so this will run on AWS and Azure too.... what is it going to use to provision the cluster, kops?

[canada_dry]

Wait, isn't this what docker is theoretically capable of? (i.e. via docker-compose to manager docker containers)

[autotune]

Not even remotely as docker-compose is not Kubernetes, or anything resembling a container scheduler or Kubernetes Management Platform.

[shiftpgdn]

How long until Google cancels this with 6 months notice?

[bluetidepro]

Forewarning... I think a lot of people on HN (myself included) are a bit tired of this joke now. While I get and understand the frustration/sentiment, I think it's a bit played out, and doesn't add to the discussion anymore.

[Corrado]

It's not just the specter of cancellation that haunts some people's perception of Google; remember the big price hike of GAE? The point is that Google is very unpredictable and in the "Enterprise" world that is a huge no-no.

[jedisct1]

When will it be discontinued?

[grier]

Probably when Reader is brought back.