[whttheuuu]

I'm very very skeptical that Waymo is far ahead, if ahead at all.

Tesla has already an impressive product on the road that is constantly improving.

Waymo could (likely) go the way of vaporware for all we know.

[dragonwriter]

> Tesla has already an impressive product on the road that is constantly improving.

Tesla has no full autonomy product on the road. On full autonomy, Tesla could easily go the way of vaporware.

> Waymo could (likely) go the way of vaporware for all we know.

Waymo has fully autonomous vehicles in (limited) commercial operation. Like Tesla, they plan to use self-driving to operate a ride-hailing service; unlike Tesla, they are actually doing that now, if only in a limited way.

[Traster]

It would be very surprising that the cars that are already driving around Phoenix, AZ are vaporware.

[_Microft]

Isn't the real problem that Phoenix, AZ is the spherical cow of self-driving?

[sixQuarks]

To me, it's obvious Tesla will win the autonomy race (unless Elon dies prematurely).

I believe Elon's greatest strength is his ability to accurately predict reality (physics), perhaps better than anyone alive right now.