I can't get over how incoherent the mobile app has become. To give a recent example. Yesterday, I had commented on another person's post. I later wanted to get back to add to the comment. So I navigated to it from my activity log. This took me to the post, but wouldn't display any of the comments on the post. The screen was clearly rendered differently than when I pulled up the person's wall, found the post, then clicked on the comments to find my comment. My guess is that "activity log > post" was written by a different engineers than "wall > post". This is the latest, updated iOS app.
That's just one minor example. There's crap like this throughout the app. The web site is also glitchy as hell these days. When I brought up m.facebook.com the other day and went to type a status update, for every space I typed, two spaces were inserted.
Agreed. It pains me to say this, but I don't understand the facebook app anymore -- and I work as a programmer! The website is a little better, but only a little.
I can never find settings for what I want. Most of the config is a mystery to me, no matter how many times facebook shows a message in my wall "hey, did you know you can do X this way?" or "we care about your privacy, so we added this or that option". I don't understand how groups work. I can never find the posts I want. Their constant reordering of my wall drives me mad. If I see a post I like, but I accidentally open a link or close the app and want to go back to it, it's bye bye post -- and good luck finding it again.
I cannot understand how facebook privacy works. I absolutely CANNOT send a private message to my wife sharing a photo "memory" of us two, no other people tagged, that facebook itself suggested I can share with her: it's always "message cannot be sent". What the hell, facebook?
I cannot understand how facebook censors publications in groups that sell things (too long to explain here, I asked a friend who works there, who asked the team involved, and they couldn't explain what was triggering the censorship either after I gave them the exact offending posts). Good luck finding specific posts in groups in a reasonable way, too.
I tried Facebook in, IDK, 2009 or so, for a month or two.
I have productively used, for significant amounts of time: every desktop Windows since 3.1, maybe a half-dozen Linux window managers under almost as many distros, BeOS, Solaris CDE, and more, a half-dozen GUI word processing programs, at least as many instant message programs, forums of all sorts, maybe a dozen image and WYSYWG HTML editors combined, and so on off to the horizon. I've figured out how to use obtuse UIs for games like Shadow President and Crusader Kings II.
Facebook's UI was too confusing so I stopped using it. I couldn't figure it out at all. Recently I've been exposed to "Facebook Work" or whatever, and it's just as bad. What's this? Where does this post go? To whom? Why are these in this order? Is this thing the same as that other thing with the same name, and if so why's it on the page twice and grouped with different things? WTF.
Same observation here. That's what cemented my realization that facebook isn't for me, they just want my comments in order to generate "engagement", not actually be useful. It's my content and they make it nearly impossible to curate.
The one that gets me is if a person I am friends with replies to a comment from someone I'm not friends with on a public post with a lot of comments.
Facebook puts this in my news feed saying "X replied to a comment on this post" and showing the post. But if I go to comments, it doesn't surface the comment that my friend replied to (or their reply). Why tell me the comment exists and then not let me see it?
Perhaps this is a side effect of it being difficult to measure things like "frustration" or "incoherence" at scale. Any team told to own `wall > ` and optimize for "engagement" is going to want to iterate independently on making the most wall-friendly post system they can think of. And unless this is a highly constrained optimization problem, with a centralized design team having coherence as their* KPI, it's going to be unconstrained free-for-all optimization on a team-by-team basis. A well-managed team-of-teams does not imply a UX-coherent team-of-teams. And maybe Facebook is fine with that. It's a challenge we need to face as technical leaders - where do you spend political capital pushing for a better product?
Instagram is doing the same thing from the activity feed. Clicking on a like/comment/mention from there takes you only to the comments section, so you can't see what image the thread is taking place on
I find it frustrating that communities are using FB. Notifications and mentions go missing left and right, and its UI is not (yet?) ideal for proper discussions - I much prefer the plain forums that have always existed. I get that FB is convenient because most people have an account already, but a FB login button would also do the trick for most communities. We surely don’t need a multi-billion company to host events and groups for us. Lock-in (social graph etc) is actually quite low for these features, so I think this is a bit of a desperate move from them.
Forums are nerdy and almost nobody wants to check N number of different forums to keep up with any groups they want to be part of.
FB isn't convenient because people have an account that works with "Login with Facebook." It's convenient because it's a one stop shop for your members.
Whether FB is ideal is going to vary per community though.
>We surely don’t need a multi-billion company to host events and groups for us
This is the crazy part about most "cloud" and "social" things today. Instead of spending money on making core technologies easy to use and accessible to all people we (collectively) fund middlemen who provide usability as a centralized, temporary service. This is exactly like TurboTax, except it's happening with all kinds of IT products and almost nobody cares.
For example, there is no fundamental reason why creating your own forum should be significantly more complicated than creating a Facebook account and installing their app on your phone. The only essential pieces of information you need for a forum are universal name/id of some sort (e.g. a domain name), administrative login and administrative password. Maybe not even that. Really, you don't even need login/password if you're okay with using email for authentication. Everything else is made-up bullshit that IT industry refuses to optimize (and, in fact, makes more complicated as years go by).
This isn't just about being annoyed by Facebook's bloated UI and glitches. We live in an increasingly information-driven society, so the ability of normal people to own and control their online information is increasingly important.
I loathe forums. Absolutely hate them. I've used them since I was a kid, even to the point of being an SA-Goon and every year on my birthday I'm reminded of the several hundred I've joined over the past 20+ years and they feel like this archaic thing I have to dust off when I dive in.
I'm in a lot of Jeep communities and there are a LOT of forums. Local, regional, national, drama-splintered, etc. I want a system that aggregates things I care about to me, not to dig through page after page looking for something interesting, tracking things via email notifications or staying logged in constantly.
Kind of like a quasi Reddit/Forum/Twitter mix. Longer form, a great search, the ability to follow tags.
The rare time I sign up for a forum nowadays, if my first try username is taken I just don't even join it.
I deleted FB last year and this is one of the only real pains I have from doing so. It wasn't amazing for groups anymore but it was better than having to log in to 20 different forums to find out if any of the Jeep groups were going to XYZ event next weekend.
At first I thought it was a good thing that I started seeing condo buildings create FB groups to create at least some sense of community.
But the ones I’ve seen just end up being an disorganized mess of negative comments that should be directed to condo boards and security themselves. If there is useful information it shouldn’t be locked into a platform like FB either…
> I much prefer the plain forums that have always existed
Indeed. Forums were (almost) perfect for me. Unfortunately the communities I was/am part of have switched to facebook, so my preferences don't matter. Facebook groups frustrate me to no end, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
The cost of entry to creating a Facebook community is zero, whereas it is non-zero to host your own. For example, there are local Pokemon Go, Spartan training, and 'local gossip' communities that simply wouldn't exist if Facebook didn't.
I also find it very frustrating. How can I get rid of FB while important groups I'm a part of use it?
However, the demise of RSS combined with the desire of individuals to share things online without having their own "site," means that there is no place like FB for aggregation of content I'm interested in.
I'm still trying to start a forum outside of FB, though. I'm using Discourse. It's a far cry from phpBB.
> I much prefer the plain forums that have always existed.
How many of you remember NNTP, which offered a wealth of clients, each with its own formatting, threading, filtering, sorting, etc.? PHP forums weren't bad, but they were mostly just a mediocre replacement for what we already had. Now I expect we'll get this. Other than Facebook advertisers and shareholders, does anyone want it?
Forum software has also had a dip in convenience in my opinion; I prefer phpbb over discorse. I don't care about whitespace and infinite scrolling, I need my catalogical organization
> I get that FB is convenient because most people have an account already, but a FB login button would also do the trick for most communities.
More than that convenience, I think it's the convenience of not having to deal with configuring some forum server software and using it. To many people, FB is the internet. Basing a community elsewhere raises the bar of entry for their target community.
I'm 26 now, and I first got into Facebook 12 years ago as a Freshman in high school.
It was cool at first because I actually spent time with my "friends" on there, or at least saw them on a daily basis at my small high school. It's changed in a couple key ways over time:
1. Family joining Facebook. It used to be a funny place I could goof around with my friends, posting whatever I wanted. Now I have to filter everything I say because my grandparents can see it. I concede that that's probably not a concern for many people, but I noticed the "vibe" changed significantly when Facebook's popularity grew beyond high school/college age people.
2. Sharing. Virtually everything on my timeline came from pages that post short "viral" videos for people to share. No one was posting anything unique or interesting. It was like a heavily bastardized version of Reddit without any interesting content. Anecdotally, this content seems to appeal to older people, who don't know of ways to see more interesting content.
Privacy concerns aside, those are the main reasons that I no longer care about Facebook. I deleted mine 6 months ago and I don't miss it at all.
I’d like to challenge the implied premise that the world needs Facebook to begin with. This is the premise under which Facebook seems to operate, but it doesn’t seem to concern with marketing the premise to users. What’s in it for any human person with a smartphone or computer? What value could possibly be extracted by such a person from being “on” Facebook?
Any redesign or other change made to the platform is pointless without a clear narrative concerning the underlying value proposition. How does the change affect that value proposition? My take is that the value of Facebook is zero in the best case, and possibly a net negative for society at large and for individuals. Isn’t Facebook supposed to convince us that their premise isn’t all evil, that there’s something in it for us beyond participation in mass data collection?
Facebook isn't obligated in any way to lay out their value prop in clear terms for users as you suggest. If users don't find their service valuable, they won't use it. Clearly that's not the case.
The value prop for advertisers is obvious. Without Facebook, thousands of small businesses (delivering great services) would be much smaller or out of business.
The value prop for users is manifold. To name a couple, without Facebook, people wouldn't connect and interact with people outside their proximal social circles. These otherwise lost connections often lead to strong healthy friendships, relationships, and/or partnerships. Many people also derive satisfaction from an entertainment perspective through Facebook whether that be through gossiping, viewing cat memes, or playing games. Though you may find these to be unimportant, that's you projecting your value system on someone else.
To say that Facebook's existence is a net negative to society requires some fundamental assumptions around what is valuable. For example, if all you value in this world is privacy, then of course Facebook is detrimental. If what you value is family, entertainment, and pleasure, Facebook is probably of great benefit.
>What value could possibly be extracted by such a person from being “on” Facebook?
It seems silly to deny that people genuinely enjoy Facebook and find it useful. It makes sense considering that Facebook has supplanted and absorbed many of the sites and software that people used to use - Flickr, ICQ/AIM, and vBulletin/phpbb for instance.
I know a lot of people who share family photos on Facebook. I know many people who discuss topics ranging from gangstalking to glassblowing to autism. A lot of people share memes and humor and political discussion and people consume that content. Clearly people value FB for communication and entertainment. Messenger is also clearly with value for text chat, voice calls and video calls.
Many artists I know have made a living from selling things for free on Facebook, with few restrictions and 100% less fees than Etsy and eBay (the market switched to Instagram ~4 years ago). Many advertisers get the majority of their leads from Facebook.
Does the world need Facebook to do this? No, there are alternatives. But people clearly find it useful and it would be hard to support that the platform is without utility or value. Are you saying that the harm done by Facebook’s business practices exceeds the value of providing this for free to consumers?
Facebook has marketed its value prop pretty clearly with this update - (1) you can find events you like in your area, (2) you can participate in communities of people who have shared interests.
And to confidently claim that all 2.3 billion users of Facebook are getting zero or negative value out of it is pretty naive.
It seems they market their premise to users every day. Every event that I find it easier to keep track of, every event I find it easier to plan. Every community I participate in.
This is a clever redesign because events are even 'stickier' in their network effects than the news feed is. I don't think it's altruistic, but I think it's smart.
It's not that the world "needs" Facebook. The world wants Facebook. Facebook is a social network and people want to use social networks, for various reasons. Facebook happens is the biggest social networks. That's the value proposition. Everything else is pretty much irrelevant.
> My take is that the value of Facebook is zero in the best case, and possibly a net negative for society at large and for individuals.
You could confidently make the same claim about alcohol and cigarettes, yet both of these are good business.
I think the net-negative claim can be said for all real-time social media, including the site we're communicating on right now.
Healthy communication with other humans requires empathy and careful consideration of how your words affect others. Both get thrown out the window when you blast something into a text box, aimed at a random username.
I quit FB more than a year ago but stared going in my profile again because I had to create a page for my app and I am shocked how slow and cluttered fb desktop site has become. its alarmingly bad, like terrible and yet I read on the news that their advertising revenue has increased. did people start using fb more? who clicks on these ads? who buys stuff on fb.
It could be a boiling the frog thing, but IMO the desktop experience hasn't changed much in a few years. It's not exactly information-dense, but more so than Twitter, somehow, despite the latter's "short text only" origins.
imho, advertising is an extremely fuzzy business. Advertisers throw money on campaigns because facebook tells them to do so, and then increases their prices. It generates revenue for sure, but i dont see it working out well in the long term
A fun thing you'll see sometimes in rants about other websites is the screenshot where someone coloured the content part of the website from all the other stuff, UI, sidebars and ads. The obvious labels are "stuff I'm interested in" vs. "stuff I'm not interested in".
Facebook was always bad in that regard. Friends posts are small boxes, crammed between sidebars. This redesign seems to think that the stuff we're not interested in, the sidebars, needs even more enlargement.
This seems like a brilliant move to help manage their public image. Groups and events seem like much more purpose-driven and thus value-generating interactions with Facebook.
I absolutely see why Facebook would want to be seen as the place where one goes to grow their community rather than the current stigma of fake news and inflammatory pieces on the feed.
As someone who works with Facebook Pages for my job, my concern that Facebook's new emphasis on Groups and Events will deemphasize Pages, which will lead to even more trouble for Pages which rely on that traffic (the absolute lack of discussion about Pages in the F8 keynote in favor of Messenger-based alternatives is concerning).
I was listening to the MZ’s keynote and it felt to me that the facebook groups moving towards more like the concept of subreddits, although with limited functionality (like moderating)
It still hard to believe that one of the largest tech giants can't handle UI and UX of their main product right. I would normally assume it's an inherently hard problem them, but there is a counter-example to compare with – VKontakte, the most popular russian social network. It started basically as 1-to-1 clone of Facebook, but somehow managed to evolve into social network with one of the best user experiences I've seen. Now, I'm not using it anymore for political reasons, but I truly wish Facebook hired Vk's UI/UX folks or just cloned their design :)
Regardless of how people feel about Facebook in general, I think this is a step forward. Groups and messenger are what I primarily use, and both of those are completely in my control with no mysterious recommender algorithm deciding what I get to look at today. I bookmark my Facebook to go straight into Messenger and get notifications from groups that I care about.
I mean these changes make sense to me; anyone who uses facebook actively can tell how much people gravitate to groups and events (and little else). Since groups have really picked up I've found myself using Facebook more than ever before.
I think the main benefit is that a lot of people have a facebook account, including those who would never have thought or bothered to join forums in the pre facebook era, so now we're seeing a ton of really great communities. Then again, I wasn't on the internet for all that much of the pre-facebook era, so maybe I don't really know how things were before.
Their redesign reminds a lot of google plus, which incidentally was used by many communities because it was convenient and relatively uncluttered.
i dont think people can get excited by this anymore though. Facebook is in a decline trajectory thats going to take a long time. The friends networks have become stale, and people are learning to move to other platforms. Like all other facebook's redesigns, this will create a massive backlash when it launches, but unlike previous times, it will most likely be seen as an excuse to quit the site.
Facebook needs a good thought on the user, friends of Zuckerberg, before doing anything fruitful to their core app. More than minor cosmetic changes, what is required is the experience of staying in touch with 'friends' not advertisers throwing a net of posts for potential catches, likers! For that, people & their faces should be more visible on the screens rather than that big repost of the day, that is going viral.
Why do people still use the mobile facebook app? I've just added the web app shortcut on my phone and it's more than enough, plus it doesn't bother you with useless updates, doesn't track you when you're not running the app, and doesn't drain your battery.
[+] [-] js2|7 years ago|reply
That's just one minor example. There's crap like this throughout the app. The web site is also glitchy as hell these days. When I brought up m.facebook.com the other day and went to type a status update, for every space I typed, two spaces were inserted.
[+] [-] the_af|7 years ago|reply
I can never find settings for what I want. Most of the config is a mystery to me, no matter how many times facebook shows a message in my wall "hey, did you know you can do X this way?" or "we care about your privacy, so we added this or that option". I don't understand how groups work. I can never find the posts I want. Their constant reordering of my wall drives me mad. If I see a post I like, but I accidentally open a link or close the app and want to go back to it, it's bye bye post -- and good luck finding it again.
I cannot understand how facebook privacy works. I absolutely CANNOT send a private message to my wife sharing a photo "memory" of us two, no other people tagged, that facebook itself suggested I can share with her: it's always "message cannot be sent". What the hell, facebook?
I cannot understand how facebook censors publications in groups that sell things (too long to explain here, I asked a friend who works there, who asked the team involved, and they couldn't explain what was triggering the censorship either after I gave them the exact offending posts). Good luck finding specific posts in groups in a reasonable way, too.
[+] [-] asark|7 years ago|reply
I have productively used, for significant amounts of time: every desktop Windows since 3.1, maybe a half-dozen Linux window managers under almost as many distros, BeOS, Solaris CDE, and more, a half-dozen GUI word processing programs, at least as many instant message programs, forums of all sorts, maybe a dozen image and WYSYWG HTML editors combined, and so on off to the horizon. I've figured out how to use obtuse UIs for games like Shadow President and Crusader Kings II.
Facebook's UI was too confusing so I stopped using it. I couldn't figure it out at all. Recently I've been exposed to "Facebook Work" or whatever, and it's just as bad. What's this? Where does this post go? To whom? Why are these in this order? Is this thing the same as that other thing with the same name, and if so why's it on the page twice and grouped with different things? WTF.
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[+] [-] SifJar|7 years ago|reply
Facebook puts this in my news feed saying "X replied to a comment on this post" and showing the post. But if I go to comments, it doesn't surface the comment that my friend replied to (or their reply). Why tell me the comment exists and then not let me see it?
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[+] [-] hombre_fatal|7 years ago|reply
FB isn't convenient because people have an account that works with "Login with Facebook." It's convenient because it's a one stop shop for your members.
Whether FB is ideal is going to vary per community though.
[+] [-] gambler|7 years ago|reply
>We surely don’t need a multi-billion company to host events and groups for us
This is the crazy part about most "cloud" and "social" things today. Instead of spending money on making core technologies easy to use and accessible to all people we (collectively) fund middlemen who provide usability as a centralized, temporary service. This is exactly like TurboTax, except it's happening with all kinds of IT products and almost nobody cares.
For example, there is no fundamental reason why creating your own forum should be significantly more complicated than creating a Facebook account and installing their app on your phone. The only essential pieces of information you need for a forum are universal name/id of some sort (e.g. a domain name), administrative login and administrative password. Maybe not even that. Really, you don't even need login/password if you're okay with using email for authentication. Everything else is made-up bullshit that IT industry refuses to optimize (and, in fact, makes more complicated as years go by).
This isn't just about being annoyed by Facebook's bloated UI and glitches. We live in an increasingly information-driven society, so the ability of normal people to own and control their online information is increasingly important.
[+] [-] swozey|7 years ago|reply
I'm in a lot of Jeep communities and there are a LOT of forums. Local, regional, national, drama-splintered, etc. I want a system that aggregates things I care about to me, not to dig through page after page looking for something interesting, tracking things via email notifications or staying logged in constantly.
Kind of like a quasi Reddit/Forum/Twitter mix. Longer form, a great search, the ability to follow tags.
The rare time I sign up for a forum nowadays, if my first try username is taken I just don't even join it.
I deleted FB last year and this is one of the only real pains I have from doing so. It wasn't amazing for groups anymore but it was better than having to log in to 20 different forums to find out if any of the Jeep groups were going to XYZ event next weekend.
[+] [-] eswat|7 years ago|reply
But the ones I’ve seen just end up being an disorganized mess of negative comments that should be directed to condo boards and security themselves. If there is useful information it shouldn’t be locked into a platform like FB either…
[+] [-] the_af|7 years ago|reply
Indeed. Forums were (almost) perfect for me. Unfortunately the communities I was/am part of have switched to facebook, so my preferences don't matter. Facebook groups frustrate me to no end, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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[+] [-] jtbayly|7 years ago|reply
However, the demise of RSS combined with the desire of individuals to share things online without having their own "site," means that there is no place like FB for aggregation of content I'm interested in.
I'm still trying to start a forum outside of FB, though. I'm using Discourse. It's a far cry from phpBB.
[+] [-] username223|7 years ago|reply
How many of you remember NNTP, which offered a wealth of clients, each with its own formatting, threading, filtering, sorting, etc.? PHP forums weren't bad, but they were mostly just a mediocre replacement for what we already had. Now I expect we'll get this. Other than Facebook advertisers and shareholders, does anyone want it?
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[+] [-] jolmg|7 years ago|reply
More than that convenience, I think it's the convenience of not having to deal with configuring some forum server software and using it. To many people, FB is the internet. Basing a community elsewhere raises the bar of entry for their target community.
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[+] [-] andykx|7 years ago|reply
It was cool at first because I actually spent time with my "friends" on there, or at least saw them on a daily basis at my small high school. It's changed in a couple key ways over time:
1. Family joining Facebook. It used to be a funny place I could goof around with my friends, posting whatever I wanted. Now I have to filter everything I say because my grandparents can see it. I concede that that's probably not a concern for many people, but I noticed the "vibe" changed significantly when Facebook's popularity grew beyond high school/college age people.
2. Sharing. Virtually everything on my timeline came from pages that post short "viral" videos for people to share. No one was posting anything unique or interesting. It was like a heavily bastardized version of Reddit without any interesting content. Anecdotally, this content seems to appeal to older people, who don't know of ways to see more interesting content.
Privacy concerns aside, those are the main reasons that I no longer care about Facebook. I deleted mine 6 months ago and I don't miss it at all.
[+] [-] maxaf|7 years ago|reply
Any redesign or other change made to the platform is pointless without a clear narrative concerning the underlying value proposition. How does the change affect that value proposition? My take is that the value of Facebook is zero in the best case, and possibly a net negative for society at large and for individuals. Isn’t Facebook supposed to convince us that their premise isn’t all evil, that there’s something in it for us beyond participation in mass data collection?
[+] [-] smallgovt|7 years ago|reply
The value prop for advertisers is obvious. Without Facebook, thousands of small businesses (delivering great services) would be much smaller or out of business.
The value prop for users is manifold. To name a couple, without Facebook, people wouldn't connect and interact with people outside their proximal social circles. These otherwise lost connections often lead to strong healthy friendships, relationships, and/or partnerships. Many people also derive satisfaction from an entertainment perspective through Facebook whether that be through gossiping, viewing cat memes, or playing games. Though you may find these to be unimportant, that's you projecting your value system on someone else.
To say that Facebook's existence is a net negative to society requires some fundamental assumptions around what is valuable. For example, if all you value in this world is privacy, then of course Facebook is detrimental. If what you value is family, entertainment, and pleasure, Facebook is probably of great benefit.
[+] [-] code_duck|7 years ago|reply
It seems silly to deny that people genuinely enjoy Facebook and find it useful. It makes sense considering that Facebook has supplanted and absorbed many of the sites and software that people used to use - Flickr, ICQ/AIM, and vBulletin/phpbb for instance.
I know a lot of people who share family photos on Facebook. I know many people who discuss topics ranging from gangstalking to glassblowing to autism. A lot of people share memes and humor and political discussion and people consume that content. Clearly people value FB for communication and entertainment. Messenger is also clearly with value for text chat, voice calls and video calls.
Many artists I know have made a living from selling things for free on Facebook, with few restrictions and 100% less fees than Etsy and eBay (the market switched to Instagram ~4 years ago). Many advertisers get the majority of their leads from Facebook.
Does the world need Facebook to do this? No, there are alternatives. But people clearly find it useful and it would be hard to support that the platform is without utility or value. Are you saying that the harm done by Facebook’s business practices exceeds the value of providing this for free to consumers?
[+] [-] paxys|7 years ago|reply
And to confidently claim that all 2.3 billion users of Facebook are getting zero or negative value out of it is pretty naive.
[+] [-] rconti|7 years ago|reply
This is a clever redesign because events are even 'stickier' in their network effects than the news feed is. I don't think it's altruistic, but I think it's smart.
[+] [-] gridlockd|7 years ago|reply
> My take is that the value of Facebook is zero in the best case, and possibly a net negative for society at large and for individuals.
You could confidently make the same claim about alcohol and cigarettes, yet both of these are good business.
[+] [-] 5trokerac3|7 years ago|reply
Healthy communication with other humans requires empathy and careful consideration of how your words affect others. Both get thrown out the window when you blast something into a text box, aimed at a random username.
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[+] [-] the_af|7 years ago|reply
Me, accidentally while trying to tell facebook to never show me that ad again.
Like you noticed, the ad situation has become dire.
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Still cluttered and awful but fast.
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[+] [-] ttepasse|7 years ago|reply
Facebook was always bad in that regard. Friends posts are small boxes, crammed between sidebars. This redesign seems to think that the stuff we're not interested in, the sidebars, needs even more enlargement.
[+] [-] inlined|7 years ago|reply
I absolutely see why Facebook would want to be seen as the place where one goes to grow their community rather than the current stigma of fake news and inflammatory pieces on the feed.
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I think the main benefit is that a lot of people have a facebook account, including those who would never have thought or bothered to join forums in the pre facebook era, so now we're seeing a ton of really great communities. Then again, I wasn't on the internet for all that much of the pre-facebook era, so maybe I don't really know how things were before.
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[+] [-] return1|7 years ago|reply
i dont think people can get excited by this anymore though. Facebook is in a decline trajectory thats going to take a long time. The friends networks have become stale, and people are learning to move to other platforms. Like all other facebook's redesigns, this will create a massive backlash when it launches, but unlike previous times, it will most likely be seen as an excuse to quit the site.
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