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buckthundaz | 6 years ago

Civilization is an affront to nature -- it's amazing how few of us understand this.

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newswriter99|6 years ago

I love the debate about what is or is not "nature" these days.

We try to separate humans from other organisms because our use of tools/building nests is so far advanced from say, what an ant produces, or a bird making a nest, or a monkey with a stick.

But we're no different from those organisms in terms of tools and nesting, we're just really good at what we do. You could argue humans are different in that we possess self-awareness but that's an entirely different debate.

And then there's the "but what about our effect on the planet?" debate. What about it? Some say the effect we have isn't natural. But even that only has weight depending on what you mean by "natural". It's natural for humans to terraform and move earth the way we see fit. At the moment we're at risk of going extinct because of it, but the jury isn't out that we won't use technology to once again survive.

buckthundaz|6 years ago

Look at the structural difference between systems of Nature and systems of Civilization.

crazypyro|6 years ago

Civilization is nature.

buckthundaz|6 years ago

Okay. Look at it structurally: is it Organic or Inorganic?

freehunter|6 years ago

And yet here you are, sitting in a building supplied by endless electricity, on an electronic device that takes an absolutely insane supply chain to produce, connected to mankind's greatest invention (the Internet), posting on a website that celebrates the most high-tech and capitalist goals imaginable.

All while railing against a civilization that is completely possible to exclude yourself from. Being here, making this comment, explicitly puts you, by choice, into "civilization".

buckthundaz|6 years ago

I am not anti-civilization. I am presenting an objective framework. There is: organic ( Nature ) and inorganic ( Civilization )

Not sure how your comment relates...