Rückzugsorte – Map of areas in Berlin which are the furthest away from a street

[jacek]

Related: map of noise pollution in Berlin https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/laermkarte-berlin/

[mewwts]

This is so cool! Would love to have this kind of information before I rent or buy an apartment.

[paws]

If site doesn't respond for you also here's a mirror

https://web.archive.org/web/20190414020642/https://interakti...

[redsparrow]

Here's one with noise by day and night as well as a bunch of other metrics: https://berlin.placeilive.com/daynoise

[terminalhealth]

How do they get reliable estimated provided that noise is changing somewhat based on rush hours?

[odiroot]

Hah! I live inside one of these bubbles in Mitte.

The truth is the grid of Altbau (pre-war) buildings is great to live in, especially if you don't share the flat and can utilise the "back" room as a bedroom. But pretty much most side streets (at least in the West) are super quiet -- thanks to speed bumps, narrow lanes, treeline and wide sidewalks.

EDIT: Also many points are in heavy-industry areas (like Westhafen) so being far away from the street doesn't change much.

[eru]

Central London (of all places!) also has really quiet and walkable side streets.

[cnj]

Nice!

If I re-engineered your algorithm correctly, it tries to find the single largest circle within a grid of streets.

This, unfortunately doesn't work well for a river that isn't frequently broken up by bridges.

E.g. the whole area of Treptower Park, Insel der Jugend, Stralau and Rummelsburger Bucht doesn't have a Rueckzugsort next to the water (there is only a big one in Plaenterwald for that whole part of the Spree).

Nice work, though. I'd be interested in a version of this that maximizes walking or biking time without crossing streets!

[terminalhealth]

Working with circles seems weird. I would have computed a Voronoi tessellation with Fortune's algorithm (also n log n) and colored the result with OpenGL triangles. Even better would be to estimate traffic density of the roads based on road type and some measure of centricity/connectedness and also weight the resulting values with that. A small central spot sourrounded by small streets may be calmer than a large peripheral one right next to a high way.

[anc84]

It's a cheap and hand-wavy, yet titled impressively piece made by an artist so don't expect anything too sophisticated ;)

[mkl]

I can think of computationally intensive probabilistic algorithms to find these circles (e.g. hill-climbing by randomly mutating circles), but is there a way to guarantee optimality? I.e. find the absolute largest circle inside a given polygon.

Is there any information about how these particular circles were generated?

[yorwba]

There appears to be an O(n log n) algorithm: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4279478/largest-circle-i...

[gillesjacobs]

Nice work! Would be nice if the tooling could be open sourced so it can be applied to any area of interest.

[lazyjones]

Anyone interested in building a "livability" map with noise, air pollution, traffic, demographic indicators, proximity to nuclear reactors, flood and other natural hazards risk etc. or anyone doing this already?

[isolli]

I use this: https://berlin.placeilive.com/map

[TulliusCicero]

This would be cool. Would need toggles with a wide variety of options since 'livability' means very different things to different people.

Like for me, I love that now that I live in Munich, I can get around by foot, by bike, by bus, by train, etc. But a lot of Americans really do like that in the US, everything is so spread out you have to drive. Different strokes and all.

[ovi256]

>proximity to nuclear reactors

Don't forget proximity to vaccines!

On a more serious note, a coal plant (like there are plenty in Germany) will spew 10x more radionuclides in the air than a nuclear plant for the same amount of produced electricity.

So why aren't you avoiding coal plants rather than nuclear power plants again ?

[dima55]

It's pretty simple and fun to compute these for your own use cases. Openstreetmap data is really useful here. One implementation:

http://notes.secretsauce.net/notes/2015/05/06_poles-of-inacc...

[hannob]

Nice idea.

Though looking at my area a few of the larger dots are inaccessible industrial areas. Not exactly what you're looking for. Wonder if that could be made more intelligent.

[jglauche]

Nice idea. I'd like to see something applicable for other cities (via openstreetmap?) to explore possible partially remote areas where I could be living; along with the possibility to hook it up with more data.

Background: pretty bad case of asthma, car exhausts being one thing that makes things worse.

[tempodox]

Very nice how the resolution increases when zooming in. This should exist for every city.

[viach]

Would me interesting to compare this with a map of criminal activities statistics.

[amelius]

Can someone mathematically formulate the exact problem that is solved here?

[dima55]

http://notes.secretsauce.net/notes/2015/05/06_poles-of-inacc...

[gerogerke]

There's a big bubble right over the airport Tegel (TXL) hwich I would consider no place of silence ;)

[whoopdedo]

Probably should have included railroads as well.

[bkfh]

Nice! Berliner here, living very closely to a large green bubble in Neukölln (Tempelhofer Feld)

[looperhacks]

Nice idea! This seems to ignore smaller streets though, why?

[Freak_NL]

Probably because those are mapped in OpenStreetMap as service roads (which includes alleys, driveways, parking lanes, etc.). The author of this map seems to have queried all roads in Berlin from Autobahn down to residential streets, and left out service roads, and bicycle and foot paths.

[sedlich]

Yes like Pfaueninselchaussee. A street but with very low traffic.

[NapoleonIT]

Great work!

[dang]

Please don't. I know what you meant, but besides being trollish, it's a way of putting down others in the community.

[TheComet]

You are completely wrong there

Berlin is one of the best cities in the whole word. Very friendly and mostly free of neonazis.

There is a great place to dance ABBA songs called Matrix, just under the subway station near Friedrichshein

Is one of my top favourite places to dance in the world, together with the famous Propaganda, or PPG , like the young people call it, in wudaokou, near the forestry university

[KenanSulayman]

It doesn't! Because every Berliner knows you don't find what you are looking for, but what you need...

[eb0la]

Every city has something to offer. Sounds like you live bad times there - sorry for that.