If people aren't familiar with it much of this myth making came from the story of 38 witnesses doing nothing while Kitty Genovese was attacked three separate times in a Queens apartment building. From the (much later) NYT correction of their initial flawed report:
>While there was no question that the attack occurred, and that some neighbors ignored cries for help, the portrayal of 38 witnesses as fully aware and unresponsive was erroneous. The article grossly exaggerated the number of witnesses and what they had perceived. None saw the attack in its entirety. Only a few had glimpsed parts of it, or recognized the cries for help. Many thought they had heard lovers or drunks quarreling. There were two attacks, not three. And afterward, two people did call the police. A 70-year-old woman ventured out and cradled the dying victim in her arms until they arrived. Ms. Genovese died on the way to a hospital.
One of the co-authors (Mark Levine) delivered a talk on his research on ‘groups and identities in security research’, which touched a bit on the the CCTV work discussed here (amongst other things). https://bengoldsworthy.net/2018/12/security-lancaster-semina...
I think back to the Myth of Kitty Genovese (the case where the New York Times reported a woman was raped and tens of witnesses didn't call the police; a report that was later proven totally false).
Another example is that case in Indiana where a stage collapsed at a music festival. Immediately after the collapse, videos shows many people going back to try to get trapped people out:
It's really cool that we have people doing this type of researching and showing there's more than just anecdotal evidence that people will respond in these situations.
If intervention is the norm in areas covered by CCTV and we can assume that's mostly urban, does that imply you think small towns would keep to themselves?
Maybe because I’m laymen but this website makes zero sense to me. A link/button with the title in file name format which leads to a page with dollar amount to purchase? Purchase what? Is this a study? An essay?
Those accessing the site from academic networks (where their institutions have paid for the correct subscriptions, that is) will be able to read the paper.
I’m not following the logic - are you implying police with guns are intimidating, which is the only effective way to stop crime? There are many countries that counter that multiple ways. Look at the militarized police in Central American countries that are 10x more intimidating but much less effective.
I doubt it, I am actually more inclined to think it's the other way around.
My own decision to intervene is mainly driven by my own feeling of safety. So if I am in an environment where is more people, or I perceive is better monitored, I will be more likely to help, because I am less worried to get into trouble.
[+] [-] astazangasta|6 years ago|reply
>While there was no question that the attack occurred, and that some neighbors ignored cries for help, the portrayal of 38 witnesses as fully aware and unresponsive was erroneous. The article grossly exaggerated the number of witnesses and what they had perceived. None saw the attack in its entirety. Only a few had glimpsed parts of it, or recognized the cries for help. Many thought they had heard lovers or drunks quarreling. There were two attacks, not three. And afterward, two people did call the police. A 70-year-old woman ventured out and cradled the dying victim in her arms until they arrived. Ms. Genovese died on the way to a hospital.
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and https://twitter.com/DegenRolf/status/868015355180003330
[+] [-] djsumdog|6 years ago|reply
Another example is that case in Indiana where a stage collapsed at a music festival. Immediately after the collapse, videos shows many people going back to try to get trapped people out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe5HNtfTdGE
It's really cool that we have people doing this type of researching and showing there's more than just anecdotal evidence that people will respond in these situations.
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Having been in both areas I have an opinion the results would be much different.
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For everyone else, bookmark the following:
Then you can just click it whenever you encounter an academic paywall to get a copy the article.[+] [-] OnlyRepliesToBS|6 years ago|reply
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My own decision to intervene is mainly driven by my own feeling of safety. So if I am in an environment where is more people, or I perceive is better monitored, I will be more likely to help, because I am less worried to get into trouble.