[kinkora]

Perhaps I could have better communicated my feedback and I do apologise for that but I wanted to point out that I did not say there is nothing out there and in fact, specifically mentioned that I could find those repos:

> Yes, I know there are probably some Github repos out there that may do what I want and I am nitpicking

Plus I could also say that if you spent 2 minutes searching my comment history, you will find that I am a Perl enthusiast and also started my sys admin career with cgi-bin yet you jumped straight into dismissing me as an anti-Perl person.

I could also add that if you took another 2 minutes to look at the link of list of modules that you listed, none of them are friendly to new adopters. E.g. Here are the documentation for the top 4 links:

• Bailador: https://github.com/Bailador/Ressources (misspelled link + 404 error to documentation)

• Cro: https://cro.services/docs/intro/getstarted (taking out the code samples, the whole documentation is 9 lines)

• Uzu: https://modules.perl6.org/dist/Uzu:cpan:SACOMO (this one is actually good. just needs some polishing for new comers)

• Pheix: https://perl6.pheix.org/doc (404 error to documentation)

And compare that to the following:

• Rails: https://guides.rubyonrails.org/getting_started.html

• Django: https://www.djangoproject.com/start/

• Laravel: https://laravel.com/docs/5.8

That's just the documentation. I haven't even gone on about the fact that all of those Perl 6 modules are by independent contributors (Cro being a private web consulting company) and the worry about it disappearing or losing support for future releases, bug fixes, etc if I want to adopt Perl 6 for production systems.

So my point stands.. until Perl 6 has an official & comprehensive framework to do something to help beginners, it will not be popular. Key word "official", "comprehensive" and "beginners".

The whole point about this article is that people don't adopt Perl 6 because of the many myths purported but my feedback is that the reason because any new language gets popular is due to the official frameworks and community around it that helps the adoption which also set some standards and will help dispel some of these myths. All of these makes it much more inviting to someone new to the language and drives adoption. Without that, even me as a Perl veteran will find it tough to get myself up and running.

Lastly, I have tried to give constructive feedback to the Perl 6 community and have always met with these sort of defensive behaviour. We could do with some more conversations around feedback than simply dismissing comments right away with a "your language is so filled with anti-perl hate".

[Ultimatt]

For Cro the documentation is much more extensive than you suggest https://cro.services/docs/intro/spa-with-cro

The main issue you're perhaps less aware of is the total size of the Perl 6 user base is about 200ish people who are not commercially oriented for the majority.

[landyacht]

As far as I'm aware, there's nothing "official" about any of the three examples you linked. They've just gained unanimity.