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Stop abusing GitHub stars

59 points| aerialcombat | 6 years ago |github.com

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aerialcombat|6 years ago

This open source project has been in development for about 5 years by SKT (SK Telecom), the biggest telecommunications company. (think Verizon) They launched a marketing event giving people a Starbucks gifticon, a mobile voucher to use at Starbucks, for starring their Github project.

A bunch of people(developers) lashed back, while hoping that maybe it was just a mishap by their marketing department.

Then the lead developer of the project, kyungtaak, posted a comment saying that he would do it again if he had to because he "loves" the project so much. And that people just need to cut him some slack.

The developers got furious by the comment, and it's going semi-viral among developers in Korea.

The company shut down the event, and posted an apology.

tacomplain|6 years ago

IMO it's github fault to use this star gimmick. Likes, stars, upvotes... all of these are dopamine hits disguised as curation or rating... The UX designers or engagement/growth hackers or whatever that plans and are responsible for these should try to predict the consequences of a system so easily exploitable to be implemented. Most successful MMOs have whole economies balanced, how can a 1 variable (can be more considering forks, contributors etc) economy be this open? Of course someone would exploit it. Github could hide forks and contributors but it could eliminate stars, since it brings nothing to the table more than virtual ego. Stop the likefication of software. We need to go back to free as in freedom, not free as in gratis.

romaniitedomum|6 years ago

I agree completely. Github is primarily a social network site. Code on Github is what tweets are on Twitter, or images on Instagram. Grist for the social media attention mill! And just like every other social media site, it's being gamed by the egotists and the self-promoters and the marketers and the fakers.

JohnTHaller|6 years ago

It looks like SK Telecom (South Korea phone company) was paying people to sign up for GitHub and star things via a contest for gift cards and such. The project runner being starred, kyungtaak, was apparently complicit in it (according to Google Translate of the GitHub comments). They shut it down once the bad publicity started, deleted the original site promoting it, and archived the GitHub repo.

captn3m0|6 years ago

How’s this any different from all the “Follow on twitter, and RT to enter our Giveaway” promotions that happen?

judge2020|6 years ago

Maybe it was temporarily archived - it isn't at the moment.

chirau|6 years ago

Can someone narrate and explain what happened here?

The page is in a foreign language and its contents have apparently since been changed.

What happened?

octocode|6 years ago

If you logged in with a GitHub account and starred their project, you would be entered into a contest for a chance to win some products (or gift cards) like Baskin Robbins, Starbucks, movie tickets, etc.

alfg|6 years ago

I think they were running some kind of promotion in exchange for starring their Github project?

stordoff|6 years ago

My understanding (from Google Translating various posts) is that a company was trying to incentivise people starring the GitHub page (in an effort to justify the project internally?[1]). From the Facebook page (Google Translated):

> metatron discovery event

> Event period: 7/1 (Mon) - 7/20 (Sat)

> How to participate: Please comment on this post after capturing screen shot of STAR on metatron discovery in GitHub.

> Announcement of winners: 7/23 (Tue) (Individual will be contacted)

> Prize guide [projector, monitor, headphones, keyboard, coffee]

[1] 국내에서.. 특히 대기업내에서 이런 오픈소스 프로젝트가 유지될수 있을 것으로 생각하는 이는 거의 없을 것이라고 생각합니다. 이런 환경속에서 저희로써는 매년 매순간 이 프로젝트가 잘 될 수 있다고 증명해야했고, 그 중 하나가 star 의 개수였습니다. -> I do not think there will be many people in the domestic market that think that such open source projects can be maintained, especially in large corporations. In this environment, we had to prove every year that the project could work well, One of them was the number of stars. -- quote from a comment by kyungtaak, a contributor.

isoskeles|6 years ago

https://archive.fo/jaxpL

Without knowing the language, the images at least imply that they're giving away free stuff in exchange for people signing up on github and starring their repo.

reustle|6 years ago

Google translate the first two long Korean posts and you'll get the jist

lifthrasiir|6 years ago

I've produced some rough translations (I had no time to proofread) related to this incident. https://gist.github.com/lifthrasiir/463b3b7e153dafe1319e5344...

I personally think that, it is clear that this is some kind of abuse but unclear if it is actually a violation of Github's Acceptable Use Policies [1] or not, making the incident somewhat more troublesome. Hopefully Github can update the policies to counter this kind of abuse in the future.

[1] https://help.github.com/en/articles/github-acceptable-use-po...

9nGQluzmnq3M|6 years ago

Most of the content appears to be in Korean. Can somebody provide an English summary of what happened?

TheFutureIsNear|6 years ago

Looks like SK Telecom, a Korean telecommunications company, ran a promotion asking people to star this Github repo for a reward.

The repo maintainer responds saying he agreed to the promotion as it is a way to show internally within the company that open source projects can be successful.

I didn’t read too much beyond that but that’s the gist of it.

lowdose|6 years ago

Sounds like a valid guerrilla marketing technique to me. This is certainly a grey area but nothing indicates malicious intent. Even introducing new members to the github community of sharing software knowledge is a valuable initiative.

hnaccy|6 years ago

What is the benefit for SKT of the stars?

Just make project look more popular? Seems odd.

JunoJunho|6 years ago

One of the project owner said that they are evaluated their outcome as SKT employee by number of stars in this repository.

Therefore, they made this ugly event.

TheBystander|6 years ago

Because of their wrong KPI system. The owner of the repo previously said that their work will be evaluated by the number of stars.

Grue3|6 years ago

>You are ruining all the efforts that communities have made github stars a valuable indicator.

Nope, stars are a stupid popularity contest that shouldn't have been a feature of Github in the first place. Leave that sort of stuff to Instagram "influencers" or whatever.

TheBystander|6 years ago

While I do believe how many stars a repo has doesn’t represent the worthiness or sth, still IMO, exploiting nondev people by bribing them to give a star for the repo is quite an “uncool” thing to do.