[sonusario]

> I don't like it because it suggests that freedom and security are somehow at odds with each other, which is already an authoritarian framing of the situation, and really just nonsense.

Agreed. I think part of the issue stems from how people define freedom, seemingly thinking that freedom means "no rules".

For example: If having rules is intrinsically against freedom, then why would anyone who desires freedom play sports, where rules define the game. If you eliminate the rules, you eliminate the game and your freedom to actually be able to play it.

[nybble41]

Freedom means you get to pick the rules; they can't be imposed on you by others. The thing is, you can't pick one set of rules for yourself and a different set for everyone else. Whatever rules you choose to live by must apply equally to everyone. Don't like private property? Fine, but you can't object when others retaliate by seizing the fruits of your labor. Think kidnapping for ransom is harmless fun? Locking you up in prison is essentially the same thing.

The problem is when certain people want others to live by their rules and are willing to apply disproportionate force to get their way. Capital punishment for theft, fines and imprisonment for copyright infringement, penalties for refusing to aid an official investigation, etc.