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What an absolute hatchet job.

Ask lawyers who have a vested interest in finding someone with deep pockets at fault so they can collect on contingency.

None of you apparently wishes to hear it, but the cause of both these crashes, most proximately, was poor training of the flight crews.

Whatever Boeing did or did not do, and whatever corners they may have cut to reduce cost and remain competitive, these crashes cannot be laid at their door.

It's the inconvenient truth. The unpopular opinion. From the one person here who seems to have read and understood the preliminary accident reports and the FDR data: these aircraft experienced a runaway trim situation, and, whatever the cause, that is something that pilots must be trained to recognize and respond to without consulting the checklists.

Boeing and basic flight training provided everything needed to handle these emergencies. We can argue (as ALPA no doubt will) about the adequacy of training materials and what Boeing should have made sure pilots knew about the systems, blah, blah, blah.

In the end, if you cannot recognize a runaway trim condition in any aircraft you need to get busted back to flight school to start again.