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Nickste | 6 years ago

The model 3 is estimated to have a 30% gross margin [1]. So it seems incorrect to say that the traditional manufacturers are waiting for battery prices to fall, as it’s clearly possible to build a high margin EV today.

[1] https://jalopnik.com/engineering-firm-that-said-tesla-model-...

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raphaelj|6 years ago

It's profitable is you remove management, R&D, supercharger and sales costs. Which is like saying that Uber is profitable if it's not for driver compensations.

eaenki|6 years ago

no that's non sense. R&D is a huge fixed upfront cost while Uber's drivers are an ongoing cost that scales linearly. Just like Intel (huge upfront cost to design chips) VS Victoria's Secret , the former has unlimited upside, the latter doesn't and cost scales linearly.

Nickste|6 years ago

Which is why I said gross margin. And isn’t the point that traditional manufacturers like BMW are also going to have to invest in similar levels of R&D, superchargers, and sales cost? Except they’re 10 years behind.

dahfizz|6 years ago

An important difference: Tesla can produce all their own batteries, and none of the competitors are even close to Tesla's production levels. So Tesla gets better batteries for cheaper.

et2o|6 years ago

Panasonic actually makes all of Tesla's batteries currently.

coldtea|6 years ago

>The model 3 is estimated to have a 30% gross margin

And yet Tesla is always on the verge of shutting down due to lack of funds, so the gross margin doesn't tell the whole story...

bryanlarsen|6 years ago

Tesla has $4B in the bank and their debt levels are tiny compared to VW, Toyota and Ford.