I also don't use Facebook, but I have an account. I rarely log in as there's generally nothing for me to see on Facebook. On occassion I get an email letting me know someone sent me a message or a friend request. I usually let those pile up, and then once every two weeks or so I log on and deal with them all.
I like the picture hosting and the ability to find long lost friends more quickly (although honestly, I don't really have many long lost friends -- and LinkedIn I find better for finding old colleagues), but it's not sticky for me.
I'm probably odd that I'd much rather read about how Logo turtle graphics and JS canvas are isomorphic than read status updates from friends. Not that I don't like knowing what my friends are doing, but its rarely the case that I need up to the minute notification. Once every two weeks is fine. And if there's something big, someone will call or send email.
Me too. I have an account so that people stop asking me to create an account. However, I've disabled most of the features in the privacy options (my account doesn't even have a "wall") and the only information for visitors is my "about" box asking them to send me an email instead of a Facebook message.
I currently read mails about once or twice a day, because using things like email notifications just interrupts me during work. Regularly checking Facebook updates would be too much noise to me.
I have tons of interesting content that I want to read (but I don't have enough time), so why should I read uninteresting Facebook updates instead? And to socialize I'm happy to get away from my computer, instead of spending even more time before the screen.
>"There is no reason for anyone with any chops online to be remotely involved with Facebook, except to peruse it for lost relatives."
Facebook's facilitation of connections between individuals is a pretty big exception. It's sort of like saying, "there's no reason to read Dvorak's blog, except to find out what he has written."
At the time, AOL's facilitation of people going online was a pretty big exception, too. After a short while, it was time to move on, and those who showed the way ahead were those who had already been critical of AOL.
Reading Dvorak posts is like watching the slow-motion trainwreck. I thought to myself, "I wonder what idiotic thing John Dvorak is going to say this time?" And did I click? Yes, Yes I did.
It strikes me that you have to be a pretty serious egotist/narcissist to think that Facebook is all about publishing, as opposed to all about connecting with people in your life.
And, that mental profile would also suit someone who is happily, aggressively, FREQUENTLY wrong about technology, but doesn't mind making a career out of writing about it.
I'm still going to read his occasional missives, though, I just can't help myself.
He makes a good point here, but Dvorak's thinking on technology is a crap shoot at best. This is the guy who thought the mouse was bullshit, he also thought the iPad was bullshit. I guess if you swing for the fences a lot you're going to miss, but sometimes it seems like he's contrary for the sake of being so. It's kind of his shtick. I think he's even said in an interview before that he's basically a well paid, well educated troll.
Just because something is popular in the mainstream doesn't mean it's not bullshit. As far as calling himself a well paid, well educated troll; well, you can't take a tongue-in-cheek comment like that completely at face value.
Rather than calling his thinking on technology a crap shoot, I'd call it a brutally honest personal assessment. In the case of his supposed bullshit call on the mouse and ipad, I'd call him exactly correct.
If you look back over the history of many technologies, you will see that closed often precedes open. Profit motive is a powerful force, but it is frequently overwhelmed by the motivation of freedom.
Facebook is like living in a large city. People are attracted to NYC because there is a lot going on there, they know people there, etc.
Saying "Why use facebook when I have the whole internet" is similar to saying "Why live in the city when I can live in any number of other small towns." Sure, some people aren't big city people, and they like the smaller tighter rural communities. The city can belittle someone's ego and make them feel small and insignificant. There are always going to be the "city people" and the "non-city people."
On Facebook Dvorak is just another user, but on pcmag.com he is an important journalist who's opinions are valued. Easy to see why he prefers one over the other.
(This article is not really HN worthy). Dvorak has been oversimplifying since the keyboard was invented.
If you have family or friends that don't live in the technical echosphere that we all do here, it is a good way to keep in touch with them. Even my mother, who is a wizzard at Word Perfect Reveal Codes isn't going to build a web site to share her poetry.
I am sensing strains of the Priesthood mentality here.
Facebook isn't a closed system because you can write apps for it. It's an application platform which I think (caveat prediction) will become web infrastructure. The social layer will be integrated with everything. FB could screw it up and someone else could pull it off, but at the moment it looks like they will win.
Well it makes sense to tech-savvy people since they know that the other services exist. Ask your mum and your aunt to name 5 other service other than YouTube and Facebook... They probably won't even be able to name 1.
I've deleted my Facebook account. And you know what? It didn't impact my life in the slightest. I was never a huge voyeur, so I never really got a lot of value out of Facebook anyway.
Once upon a time, AOL was a BBS. What drives a BBS is community. They worked really hard on that aspect and even had messaging between users, forums, games, and more.
Then, they decided they were an ISP instead and started claiming such. People forgot all the other services they offered and focused on the millions of frisbies they gave out.
Facebook is all about community, with messaging, forums, games, event planning, and more.
So yeah, it's what AOL should have been, but wasn't.
[+] [-] kenjackson|15 years ago|reply
I like the picture hosting and the ability to find long lost friends more quickly (although honestly, I don't really have many long lost friends -- and LinkedIn I find better for finding old colleagues), but it's not sticky for me.
I'm probably odd that I'd much rather read about how Logo turtle graphics and JS canvas are isomorphic than read status updates from friends. Not that I don't like knowing what my friends are doing, but its rarely the case that I need up to the minute notification. Once every two weeks is fine. And if there's something big, someone will call or send email.
[+] [-] gst|15 years ago|reply
I currently read mails about once or twice a day, because using things like email notifications just interrupts me during work. Regularly checking Facebook updates would be too much noise to me.
I have tons of interesting content that I want to read (but I don't have enough time), so why should I read uninteresting Facebook updates instead? And to socialize I'm happy to get away from my computer, instead of spending even more time before the screen.
[+] [-] brudgers|15 years ago|reply
Facebook's facilitation of connections between individuals is a pretty big exception. It's sort of like saying, "there's no reason to read Dvorak's blog, except to find out what he has written."
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It strikes me that you have to be a pretty serious egotist/narcissist to think that Facebook is all about publishing, as opposed to all about connecting with people in your life.
And, that mental profile would also suit someone who is happily, aggressively, FREQUENTLY wrong about technology, but doesn't mind making a career out of writing about it.
I'm still going to read his occasional missives, though, I just can't help myself.
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Rather than calling his thinking on technology a crap shoot, I'd call it a brutally honest personal assessment. In the case of his supposed bullshit call on the mouse and ipad, I'd call him exactly correct.
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[+] [-] bradleyland|15 years ago|reply
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2076932
If you look back over the history of many technologies, you will see that closed often precedes open. Profit motive is a powerful force, but it is frequently overwhelmed by the motivation of freedom.
[+] [-] noelchurchill|15 years ago|reply
Saying "Why use facebook when I have the whole internet" is similar to saying "Why live in the city when I can live in any number of other small towns." Sure, some people aren't big city people, and they like the smaller tighter rural communities. The city can belittle someone's ego and make them feel small and insignificant. There are always going to be the "city people" and the "non-city people."
On Facebook Dvorak is just another user, but on pcmag.com he is an important journalist who's opinions are valued. Easy to see why he prefers one over the other.
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If you have family or friends that don't live in the technical echosphere that we all do here, it is a good way to keep in touch with them. Even my mother, who is a wizzard at Word Perfect Reveal Codes isn't going to build a web site to share her poetry.
I am sensing strains of the Priesthood mentality here.
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[+] [-] meadhikari|15 years ago|reply
Twitter is the New CB radio
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2351932,00.asp
[+] [-] ebun|15 years ago|reply
I'm often taken aback when I hear/read these kind of comments. It shows the gulf between most web users and a minority of techies.
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huh??
he seems to advocate never using a new thing.
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Then, they decided they were an ISP instead and started claiming such. People forgot all the other services they offered and focused on the millions of frisbies they gave out.
Facebook is all about community, with messaging, forums, games, event planning, and more.
So yeah, it's what AOL should have been, but wasn't.
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