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500 points| plg | 6 years ago |apple.com | reply

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[+] 0x38B|6 years ago|reply
I highly recommend reading the MacStories review of iOS and iPadOS 13 [1]. Thirty (!) pages.

It's like the manual that Apple forgot. Case in point: you can swipe from the bottom-right corner of the screen with the Apple Pencil and it'll take a screenshot of the webpage and open it for marking up.

Extensive coverage of multitasking features, as well. There's definitely a learning curve with all these possibilities - split view, side view, copying and pasting, etc - so it makes sense to get comfortable with them now.

1: https://www.macstories.net/stories/ios-and-ipados-13-the-mac...

[+] crooked-v|6 years ago|reply
> you can swipe from the bottom-right corner of the screen with the Apple Pencil and it'll take a screenshot of the webpage and open it for marking up

I... but... how in the world is anyone ever supposed to know that exists???

[+] SomeOldThrow|6 years ago|reply
Are gestures a hard requirement to use the functionality? I already hate their replacing the home button with a gesture that fails 9/10 times to switch apps. Really ruins the ability to use the os for multitasking.
[+] dallen33|6 years ago|reply
The list of supported devices is impressive. The iPad Air 2 came out in 2014.

  12.9-inch iPad Pro
  11-inch iPad Pro
  10.5-inch iPad Pro
  9.7-inch iPad Pro
  iPad (7th generation)
  iPad (6th generation)
  iPad (5th generation)
  iPad mini (5th generation)
  iPad mini 4
  iPad Air (3rd generation)
  iPad Air 2
[+] nostromo|6 years ago|reply
I've tried to use these desktop-inspired features on iPad and they are befuddling.

Using two apps at once is beyond confusing. A simple use case, like copying an address from a Safari tab into Gmail via split screen requires so many mysterious, undiscoverable gestures, I doubt almost anyone is doing that.

I think Jobs was right that convergence between workstations and mobile devices requires too many sacrifices, at least in the near term.

I think the obvious solution could be an old one discovered by PARC decades ago: applications in windows and a mouse.

[+] wlesieutre|6 years ago|reply
A lot of discovery on desktop computers was by hovering over stuff for tooltips or poking around in menus. Touch devices don't have that, so you get the basic functionality exposed, but other stuff isn't as discoverable.

I don't think this is as much of a problem as people make it out to be. They've managed to keep the iPad just as accessible to everyone, and they prod you occasionally with notifications from the Tips app for people who are willing to learn more.

As far as moving a URL from a Safari tab to Gmail, why not just copy and paste it? Tap once on the URL bar, the keyboard pops up with all the text selected, and there's a copy button right there. Or you can tap on the selected text to bring up the cut/copy/paste buttons.

Pressing and holding the URL to initiate a drag and then dropping in a text field also works for me, but I didn't test in Gmail. It's possible Google has some custom behavior that breaks this.

[+] simonh|6 years ago|reply
Horses for courses I suppose, it took me a few minutes to learn how to use popovers and split screen, and now it’s second nature.

My youngest doesn’t use any of that, but then she’s a magician with ProCreate and the pencil. It’s just a matter of what matters to you most.

[+] dmazin|6 years ago|reply
I think something mostly unmentioned, but implicit, in a lot of the power features of iPadOS is that they work great with a keyboard using shortcuts most people are already familiar with (e.g. command-c). The three-finger gestures, I agree, are pretty weird but you always have the keyboard (and the cut/copy/paste action menu).
[+] tcdent|6 years ago|reply
The touch based workstation has been a concept forever, the technology just hasn't been there to execute it for a mass audience. All these systems need to do is provide enough value to be marketable; there's no reason for tech companies to ignore this as a product category.

With more time and effort put into development it may be surprising just how effective they become. Most young kids I see are far more exposed to touch based interaction than trackpad, keyboard or mouse and I expect that will continue to be the case for most of their lives. Those of us who grew up with a physical keyboard as a primary input device can't relate.

[+] Yhippa|6 years ago|reply
> I think the obvious solution could be an old one discovered by PARC decades ago: applications in windows and a mouse.

I've tried both ways with tablets: using a pencil or a mouse. The mouse is a bit inconvenient because you have to carry something around with you that's a bit bulkier but the interaction with the computing device is so much more easy. It's annoying to have to pick up a pencil and doodle-gesture or touch the screen IMO.

[+] innocentoldguy|6 years ago|reply
I used split-screen and some of the other desktop-oriented features in iOS 12.x and they were OK but not great. I think iPadOS has really polished these. Split screen is a lot easier to use, as are copy/paste/undo.

Of course, the apps you use have to support these new features. There are some, like Kindle, that don't work well at all.

[+] Angostura|6 years ago|reply
But the nice thing about the mysterious gestures is that you really don't need them. If you are a power user you might learn them - otherwise you just keep using it like an old-style iPad - like my wife does. It's sort of the equivalent of righ-click on a Mac.
[+] 1123581321|6 years ago|reply
I just tried this for the first time with Safari and Mail and didn’t have any issue. And when I copied the text, a set of tips popped up to tell me I can do a three finger spread to automatically copy and paste, so in the future I can just do that gesture on the left and right side to quickly move text if I don’t have a keyboard connected for cmd+c/cmd+v.
[+] soup10|6 years ago|reply
they are trying to hard to force gestures and touch controls, just support wireless mouses
[+] ogre_codes|6 years ago|reply
When you compare it to Android where you're lucky to get 18 months support it comes out ahead. When you compare it to MacOS and Windows 10 which run on 8-10 year old hardware, not as much. Of course how good Windows support is for that older hardware depends largely on OEMs and driver support and varies greatly. Linux can run on 20 year old hardware... or older?
[+] ben7799|6 years ago|reply
Wow.. you can finally plug in a USB drive/card reader/camera/whatever...

That alone actually takes the iPad a long way towards actually being real/Pro/whatever.

I sold my first Gen iPad Pro over this stuff. It was just to painful to do a lot of real world stuff that involved files.

Maybe today the experience would be a heck of a lot better.

[+] Abishek_Muthian|6 years ago|reply
Track record for Apple when it comes to iOS/iPadOS updates has been impressive, but once they stop updating their device it becomes more vulnerable than their android counterpart for basic Internet browsing just because Apple doesn't update Safari via AppStore and doesn't allow any other browser engine.

Case in point : Google Project Zero's latest iOS Exploit chains on webkit shows how easy it was(*is?) for an iOS user to fall victim to browser vulnerabilities by just visiting a website.[1]

The exploits covered targeted only 64-bit, so technically devices < iPhone5S which were not part of the update cycle wasn't mentioned in the GPZ research. But many of the exploit chains did use public jailbreak exploits and Semi-unthethered jailbreaks exist for 32-bit iOS devices running up to iOS 10.3.3.

I don't know whether complete exploit chain as detailed in the project zero wasn't possible for 32-bit devices or the attackers just didn't care about those devices. It is safe to assume, they are vulnerable.

Where as a 7 year old android device can still download Firefox for Android with latest security updates.

In any case, I don't think there can be any opposing arguments on the side of security for Apple not updating Safari via AppStore or now allowing proper 3rd party browsers.

[1]: https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-d...

[+] tolmasky|6 years ago|reply
Apparently as part of the "desktop class" browser experience in iPad OS, Safari lost its ability to double-tap to zoom. This is a feature I use on basically every single webpage, including when I am browsing on an actual desktop computer. Chrome's lack of this feature kept me on desktop Safari for ages. I can't believe they've taken it out. It significantly deteriorates my browsing experiencing. And for what? To add more text selection gestures or something? I already find it annoying that I randomly select text as I browse a website on iOS, I don't want important features being dumped in favor of more of that.

Edit: Upon further inspection, it may just be horribly buggy? It seems to sometimes attempt to zoom out on double tap (despite being at 100%), which means somewhere the code is still trying to work...

[+] baby|6 years ago|reply
I’ve been using this for several months now, I am still confused about the hand gestures I need to do to make multi tasking work. Everything has been very confusing to me, and it’s been hard finding information online as it was a beta.
[+] iaml|6 years ago|reply
It's very annoying. I haven't found a way to close the app in slideover apart from opening sidedrawer and closing all the apps there.
[+] saagarjha|6 years ago|reply
They’re iPhone-style gestures for the most part, except some of the Slide Over/Split View stuff requires a bit more work. The beta broke some of these too so if you were using that I’d try to use those gestures again and see if they do what you want.
[+] cfors|6 years ago|reply
Cool, but nothing about any focus on making the machine realistic for development.

My current MacBook Pro is getting a little long in the tooth and after suffering through the 2016 and later versions at work, I will not be buying one of those until the keyboards are fixed. If iPadOS has first class terminal support I would consider making it my full time machine.

Looks like the waiting game will continue.

[+] Conlectus|6 years ago|reply
The biggest problem I've found with using my iPad pro as a full time device is that the iPad does not have a real concept of keyboard focus. This is a big deal in split-screen apps, where hard as I try I can't get my terminal emulator to accept keyboard input -- I just keep typing in Safari.

Hopefully this is something that Apple addresses now that they consider iPad OS to be a real OS and not a scaled-up iOS.

[+] finkin1|6 years ago|reply
I wonder why they aren't advertising mouse support. This seems like one of the most useful features to me. They didn't mention it on the keynote and I can't find it on their website anywhere.

Any thoughts on why Apple wouldn't be pushing this as a major advancement for iPad?

[+] ogre_codes|6 years ago|reply
Because it's not very good mouse support. It's basically a simulated finger. If they started advertising this, people would rightly criticize it for being mediocre. For the moment anyhow, the iPad is a touch device with an optional virtual finger you can plug into it.
[+] pier25|6 years ago|reply
I think one reason is that it looks half baked. Instead of a cursor you get a blob which simulates a finger.

Another reason might be because Apple has been avoiding mixing touch screens with mice. Not sure why. Maybe because Microsoft did it first or maybe because Apple doesn't want to canibalize sales between products. Anyway, a macOS touch laptop would be amazing or an iPad pro runnning an iOS/macOS combo. Sidecar will get us a bit closer to that.

[+] Someone1234|6 years ago|reply
I've had the iOS 13 beta for several months and am using the mouse support to teach our four year old basic mouse usage. It is a nice compromise, because an iPad is a simpler device for her to navigate and understand than a PC (and has much better parental controls) but this gets her familiar with a PC's peripherals for when we do introduce her to a PC later.

The Logitech M535 worked without hassle, and fit her hand well. We combined it with a OMOTON Ultra-Slim keyboard for a full "PC peripherals-like experience."

I still feel like mouse support is half baked. Almost like Apple hobbled it on purpose to make sure you KNEW it wasn't the primary way to interact with an iPad. It should be a first class citizen like the keyboard support in my view, with basic settings like auto-hiding the cursor when it isn't connected and cursor configuration (no more giant blob).

[+] mrpinc|6 years ago|reply
The mouse support is supposed to be focused on accessibility for people with disabilities, it's not everyday user focused.
[+] privateSFacct|6 years ago|reply
Everytime I read about greenpeace talking about how Apple's products are so terrible for the environment while saying nothing about android products I roll my eyes.

Same thing with the fix it folks saying Apple's products are "unrepairable". There is a great market for both repair and reuse / re-sale in apple products.

It's interesting comparing a 4 year old android tablet or phone (which was sometimes a year behind when shipping already) to apple's products.

[+] artellectual|6 years ago|reply
I just got the iPad Pro and have been using the iPadOS beta for the past few months. I don’t know how I was doing without it before.

I now have a place where I can sketch my architecture diagrams, wireframes, live sketching for my team when I work. Everything is in one place and does not get lost. I can plug it into a projector and write notes on things to explain things to my team. Doing presentations is easy. I now pretty much only use my MacBook Pro for coding. Almost every other task is done on my iPad Pro.

My 2 most used apps at this point are Concepts and Flow by moleskine.

It’s become a boon to my workflow.

[+] dotdi|6 years ago|reply
I'm by all means no Apple fanboy (almost all my devices are Android-based, work laptop is a MBP) but this sure is impressive.

All of the presented features seem to be thought through and made to increase my productivity. Back in the day, I was one of the first people to own the original iPad in my country (small, central European country) and I regretted that decision almost immediately since it was just a bigger phone that I could use on the couch, albeit one that couldn't even do phone calls. I finally get the feeling that tablets get to be real devices.

[+] peatmoss|6 years ago|reply
Anyone here familiar with photo management know what the likely implications of the new USB storage support are?

My elderly mother has gotten into photography in the past few years and shoots with what I assume is a prosumer camera (high-ish resolution, swappable lenses). The Windows laptop she plugs into is a disaster waiting to happen, in that I’m pretty sure nothing is properly backed up. I think she also barely understands what’s happening on her computer at any given time.

If an iPad, plus camera kit, plus external storage, plus maybe some iCloud backup is a reasonable way to manage photos, I'd consider getting her one.

What might an iPadOS + camera workflow / setup look like? Is this likely to be a replacement for a camera + traditional computer photo management setup?

Edit: I should add that, while I’m comfortable with Linux and coding and other nerdly pursuits, I know nothing about current norms and tech for photography.

[+] fetus8|6 years ago|reply
I jumped to an iPad Pro this year because of the announcement of USB storage support.

I'm not a pro photographer by any means, and my workflow is pretty simple, but here's my hardware workflow is: iPad Pro, Fujifilm X-series camera(s), USB-C Memory Card reader, and a Samsung T5 SSD.

I import directly into my iCloud Drive from the memory card, then plug in the SSD, and move the unnecessary files onto the SSD. Edit the photos from iCloud Drive via Affinity or Darkroom. I'm mostly just doing exposure adjustments to RAW files, and both apps work incredibly well. Export the edited images back to either the iOS Photos app, or just back to the directory on iCloud Drive. It's incredibly quick and efficient. I've been running the iPadOS beta since July/August, and haven't encountered any reason to be concerned.

I have been travelling a couple times this summer with this setup, and don't miss my Macbook at all. iPadOS with the new storage support, and a real USB-C port really feels like a computer replacement.

[+] knolan|6 years ago|reply
The standard option would be to import the images into the Photos app. I’ve yet to install iPadOS but I’d imagine simply plugging in a USB would present such an option to the user. They may need to open photos and tap import.

Once you’ve enabled Photo syncing in iCloud and pay the monthly fee (€3 per month for 200GB etc) then that’s all there is to it.

My parent’s iPad backs up all their encrypted device content to my iCloud storage via Family Sharing, they don’t pay a thing. I’ve no access to it but it eats slightly into my quota. My mother has the USB A to lightning dongle and she’s can easily import from her Canon P&S. Normally I have to explain every step to her but I was away when the dongle shipped to her and she managed it just fine.

The Photos app has a reasonable editor that get the job done. Add Afinity Photo to that and it’s ability to open from iCloud and you’ve a Photoshop killer.

The nice thing about Apple Photos Library is that it keeps the original image and all edits so you don’t lose anything.

[+] AgloeDreams|6 years ago|reply
Tried the flow out, it's really slick and FAST as all get out. Just plug and play, you can import files into the Photos app (the drive shows as an import location like in MacOS Photos app) or in the files app as if it is Finder. Really powerful, a modern iPad Pro might be faster than the old Windows hardware for run and gun processing, large scale editing is better on an actively cooled device. The screen on the iPad is likely more accurate.
[+] alistairSH|6 years ago|reply
Two questions... does she use Lightroom or another photo editing/management tool? Does she shoot raw, or just jpg?

If she isn't using Lightroom or shooting raw, the siblings cover it. Just use Apple Photos with iCloud backup. If she wants most of the photos in full-size on local disk, buy the largest capacity iPad you can.

If she is using Lightroom, they have their own cloud storage that is included (or discounted?) with the monthly software subscription. So, you can still use the iPad, you just have an extra step of importing into Apple Photos, then exporting into Lightroom (this may have changed, but AFAIK, iPad still doesn't allow direct import of files into non-native apps).

There are a few tutorials and blog entries that describe the above process, though I expect there will be updates or new coverage in a month or two, once people have time with the latest iPadOS updates.

FWIW, I use an Ipad and the camera kit on vacation, use Apple Photos, and also have a MacBook at home (it's a bit easier to do some tasks with a mouse, but an all-mobile workflow is possible). My mother use a hodgepodge of Lightroom on Windows, with some photos synced to her Apple product ecosystem, but I don't know the details.

[+] givinguflac|6 years ago|reply
For an elderly person, just use iCloud for photos backup. It works incredibly well, and works through the native photos app, so it will totally eliminate the need to think about backing up unless it's offline all the time.
[+] wilg|6 years ago|reply
Definitely use either iPadOS or macOS with Apple Photos + iCloud Photo Library. Probably the most foolproof thing.
[+] neilobremski|6 years ago|reply
I think it's great that Apple is attempting to design an OS for a specific form-factor and the use cases that go along with that. I worked on Windows 8 and the idea of putting the same UI on every device regardless of its size or inputs was really abhorrent to me. (If I've got a keyboard and a mouse connected to a big screen then I want something keen to that.)
[+] saagarjha|6 years ago|reply
(It came out today, for those wondering why it’s being posted here.)
[+] pdimitar|6 years ago|reply
I’ve read a week ago that it will start rolling out from September the 30th, though. And still no software update available on my iPad Pro.
[+] baby_wipe|6 years ago|reply
I really wish I could use macOS on the iPad.

As a half measure, I'm gonna see if I can use sidecar with my macbook lid shut.

[+] pier25|6 years ago|reply
Do you think the "Desktop-class browsing" will also apply to webview based browsers? (Chrome, Firefox, etc)
[+] saagarjha|6 years ago|reply
Other applications can get this as well if they decide to take advantage of certain WebKit APIs.
[+] babyslothzoo|6 years ago|reply
The multitasking functions are very confusing, as are the new multi-finger gestures for performing undo/copy/paste etc. Nothing is obviously discoverable either, it all feels accidental at best, though that's been the case since they removed depth from the UI.

Wasn't the promise of iPad that it was much easier than a Mac or PC? I don't find that to be the case.

Anyway, I use mine as a couch browser. I still can't find a heavier use case for it.