[srbby]

>If you want to improve your dating prospects, get in shape. Anyone can get in shape, doesn't matter how rich or successful or handsome your face is.

That's exactly the problem: men have to get in shape to get women who are way below their looks. And that's all. Men see this as unjust. Whether this is unjust or not is a matter of opinion which you may or may not agree on, but it's an opinion nonetheless.

Also with 5 and 6 you seem to be dismissing the need to be loved as a healthy person?

[meigwilym]

This really isn't true. Being pleasant and friendly and funny is attractive to many women. Being attractive is a nice shortcut to a relationship, but it won't keep you in one. That's where personality comes in.

Besides, there are plenty of women who aren't interested in body builder type physiques, just as there are plenty of men who aren't interested in size six models.

[dx034]

I doubt that. I (as a male) would argue that women are under more pressure to conform to beauty standards than men. It's fine not to get in shape for dating if you expect your partner to be the same.

[notyourday]

> That's exactly the problem: men have to get in shape to get women who are way below their looks.

A car is not worth what the seller wants to get for it. It is worth whatever the buyer gives and seller accepts.

One may think he is astonishingly beautiful but if there's no taker for his beauty, he is ought to ask himself if he is over-valuing some criteria. It is possible that his potential partners are wrong, of course, in which case the question is what does he value more -- being "correct and spending time on Pornhub" or being "incorrect and waking up next to Jackie".

> And that's all. Men see this as unjust. Whether this is unjust or not is a matter of opinion which you may or may not agree on, but it's an opinion nonetheless.

Opinions in a vacuum are just that, opinions in a vacuum.

[willmacdonald]

and women don't have to get in shape/loose weight/worry about looks????

Woman have a far tougher time on Tinder style apps. Men are much more visual when choosing, and women have to stand out so much more than men.

Getting in shape is just looking after your body and health, you should do that for yourself. Don't think you have to be a 'gym bro'. I have yet to meet a woman who is actually attracted by guys who present a 6-pack and huge muscles.

[matwood]

> Don't think you have to be a 'gym bro'.

Yeah, people often think either it's try to be Arnold Schwarzenegger or sit on the couch all day. There is a very wide spectrum between those two extremes.