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thebluehawk | 6 years ago

Orbital mechanics.

The earth is orbiting the sun at 30 kilometers per second. So if we launched something into space, since it started on earth, it would have that speed (similar-ish to throwing a ball from a moving car). So that object would now also be orbiting the sun at 30 km/s. We would need to slow it down that much in order to "fall" into the sun.

Once something was in earth orbit, it would only take about 12 km/s of delta v (change in velocity) to escape the solar system.

More info and math here: https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/3612/calculating-s...

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ChuckMcM|6 years ago

Although you could do it with about 17km/s if you put it into a Holman transfer orbit to Venus and used a low flyby and aerobrake maneuver of Venus and that puts you into a flyby of Mercury which changes the orbital plane such that the ellipse intersects the corona.

Sad note that also limits your launch window to once every 113 years as I recall from the last time I did the math :-(.

From a technical perspective you push into an elliptical orbit that intersects Venus, you do a slight aerobreak (skim the surface of the atmosphere) to dogleg toward a Mercury intercept, and then as you pass Mercury it tightens your ellipse still further and you head out, and come back and fly through the outer corona of the Sun (which is its hottest point). At which point you're in a degenerate orbit that will go out and come back through the Sun's corona until you've been completely consumed/burned up.

mihaifm|6 years ago

Why do you have to slow it to 0 to hit the sun? Can't you just cruise at whatever speed you're cruising and redirect it with thrusters towards the sun?

dTal|6 years ago

In space (and any frictionless medium), you can't "redirect" an existing velocity vector with thrusters. You can only add a velocity vector. This means that if your desired direction is perpendicular to your current direction, your current speed is no good to you at all. If you're heading due "north" at 10mph, and you want to be heading due "east" at 10mph instead, you have to 1) fully negate your "north" velocity, and 2) come up with 10mph of "east" velocity from scratch.

Now, the trajectory of an object in solar orbit is exactly at right angles to the direction it needs to go in to hit the sun. No part of this velocity is helpful for getting to the sun - in fact it actively prevents it! The only vector that takes you directly into the sun is one with no sideways component - if you imagine yourself falling right in, any sideways nudge will cause you to miss it by a hair and go flinging off into a highly elliptical orbit. If you just ignore this and just thrust directly at the sun, hoping to overpower everything by brute force, then like a ballerina pulling her arms in, the more you try to get close to the sun with your thrusters, the faster your orbit will go; the closer you manage to get, the further out you'll be flung when you inevitably miss.

All this ignores that the sun is not a point, but quite a large ball - you can get away with some small horizontal velocity. A highly elliptical orbit will still do what you want if its lowest point is below the surface.

rileyteige|6 years ago

Once you're in orbit (say around the sun), you have to cancel the orbital velocity to fall into the object you're orbiting around. If you point at the sun and accelerate 1 km/s directly at it, you're still moving 30 km/s "sideways". All you'd end up doing is making the orbit more elliptical-shaped.

At least that's how I see it, but I am far from being an authority on this topic.

JshWright|6 years ago

(I mean this in all seriousness)

You should play Kerbal Space Program. It will very quickly give you an excellent intuition for basic orbital mechanics.

kibwen|6 years ago

I'm no rocket scientist but perhaps that would cause the object to shift from the Earth's kinda-circular orbit into a highly-elliptical orbit, its existing sideways velocity (relative to the sun) causing it to be flung past the sun at more of a straight line and hence way out into the solar system instead.

tux1968|6 years ago

You can but then you're using a lot of propellant rather than gravity to reach your target.

deepsun|6 years ago

No, once something was in Earth orbit, it would only take 1.7 km/s to escape solar system, per your link.