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formatkaka | 6 years ago

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blamestross|6 years ago

We have a lot of evidence it works on small scales (something like half of marriages work out). That might seem silly, but I would call it "minimum viable Communism".

I'd like to see a concerted effort for many small-scale communes (sub Dunbar's number) to be more legally viable in the US. The problem with Communism at scale is that the logistics and planning beurocracies end up authoritarian, but it seems optimal at smaller scales.

Our implementation of capitalism has experienced a lot of regulatory capture and that needs some work. Democracy and capitalism are also totally compatible with a bit more public infastructure and an a more accessible healthcare system.

sexydefinesher|6 years ago

You are misunderstanding the Animal Farm. It was a criticism to the Soviet system and not socialism, Orwell literally fought for the anarchists in the Spanish Civil War.

BurningFrog|6 years ago

He also became very disillusioned with the left there.

Also took a bullet through the throat, which he rather miraculously survived.

kolbe|6 years ago

How many do overs does socialism get? You can only say "that's not how REAL socialism is supposed to happen" so many times.

formatkaka|6 years ago

Oh!

I read the book with conflicting views on communism/socialism/fascism in mind. Need to read in more detail. Thanks for the clarification.

BigJ1211|6 years ago

There has never been a truly communist society, they were marketed as being socialist (nazi party) or as communist (lenin and mao). None of those were what they claimed to be at all, or at best a corrupted version of what they were supposed to be.

See: https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-7/cpml-ussr.htm

So there hasn't been any communism that turned into fascism, as there hasn't been any communist society. Most of the misconceptions about communism stem from post-WW2 propaganda, which boils down to "Capitalism = good, Communism = bad". (at least on western side of the iron curtain)

_jarroda|6 years ago

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