I've always loved content for content's sake, and seen design as a nice to have rather than an absolute necessity. HN is one of my favorite sites because it has highly targeted content, a large pool of contributors, and a wonderful forum of discussion.
Is it enough to upvote this post if we agree, or must we comment and make our voices heard?
I love minimalist designs. And <you'll all kill me and downvote me for this one cringe> I hate javascript, most of the time. 99 times out of a hundred, javascript is used to make things "pretty" or "neat" or "flashy" or "cool" when all it does is make things slow and add bloat. I'm not saying it doesn't have its uses, but you REALLY DON'T need that 500kb library to move text around the screen or change an icon. But I'm a systems developer and I code in C and ASM, so what do I know about web development..
I'm a fan of minimalism, but I'd tend toward something of a middle ground.
e.g. in the case of old digg, I'd go for something that added color to headlines to more clearly separate articles, de-emphasized the category/posted-by line, and narrowed the summary column.
too-wide blocks of text, too-close bunches of paragraphs and too-strict hit-boxes for buttons are pretty common on 'minimalist' sites and those drive me absolutely crazy anymore.
Too-small fonts also used to bother me, but browsers have largely resolved that. So long as minimalist design plays well with dynamic font scaling, that doesn't bother me anymore.
A lot of technical people love these kinds of UIs, but they can be unwelcoming to the average user on the web who might not be as technical or might be intimidated by the amount and presentation of the content, especially if it's mostly text.
Mods: Please make sure that posts like this don't become common. Reddit has tons of "Does Anybody Else?" posts. They are a thinly veiled "Upvote if you like <some popular thing>". I'd hate to see the practice creep into HN...
HN is a good example of how doing one thing very right (no clutter) can overshadow doing many things wrong/unsatisfactorily (no built in search, no instructions on how to use certain features...). Also Applies to a lot of Apple products
It's not about minimal, it's about scope. I see HN as content-based system, where as, Digg and rest of the others went the route of social-based. The site where the content is the king, is still valuable versus the site where people are the king. There is a trade off with reputation of course, one has to first build the reputation and credibility before one can claim a solid content-based system.
If you recall, the problem started with Digg when people started gaming it. There were stories after stories of how people are gaming the system. This is when they first lost their credibility.
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[+] [-] ComputerGuru|15 years ago|reply
I love minimalist designs. And <you'll all kill me and downvote me for this one cringe> I hate javascript, most of the time. 99 times out of a hundred, javascript is used to make things "pretty" or "neat" or "flashy" or "cool" when all it does is make things slow and add bloat. I'm not saying it doesn't have its uses, but you REALLY DON'T need that 500kb library to move text around the screen or change an icon. But I'm a systems developer and I code in C and ASM, so what do I know about web development..
[+] [-] cryptoz|15 years ago|reply
Yeah, I hate how easy and fast upvoting is on HN. It's almost...too fast.
[+] [-] sghael|15 years ago|reply
Like Delicious. Simple color palette, lots of white space, and no extraneous stuff like gradients, rounded corners, drop shadows, etc.
[+] [-] roc|15 years ago|reply
e.g. in the case of old digg, I'd go for something that added color to headlines to more clearly separate articles, de-emphasized the category/posted-by line, and narrowed the summary column.
too-wide blocks of text, too-close bunches of paragraphs and too-strict hit-boxes for buttons are pretty common on 'minimalist' sites and those drive me absolutely crazy anymore.
Too-small fonts also used to bother me, but browsers have largely resolved that. So long as minimalist design plays well with dynamic font scaling, that doesn't bother me anymore.
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If you recall, the problem started with Digg when people started gaming it. There were stories after stories of how people are gaming the system. This is when they first lost their credibility.
There is a fine line.