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radcon | 6 years ago

They also edited a headline for a #1 ranked story about Blizzard and the Hong Kong issue, removing Hong Kong from the headline entirely.

HN sort of reminds me of China -- a dictatorship with zero transparency and a penchant for manipulation.

Edit: Can't forget the spineless bootlickers who are hopelessly devoted to the state! You know you've struck a nerve when the best 'reply' they can offer is a silent downvote.

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dang|6 years ago

What headline was that? Obviously we're not removing Hong Kong from Blizzard titles because of some sinister agenda. If we were, we suck at it: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

I hope HN readers have gotten smart enough to notice how when commenters make grandiose claims like this about manipulation, they never provide links. That's because the facts never support the grandiose claim.

Curious to see what the real reason might have been, I skimmed through the last 30 or so titles with Blizzard in them and didn't find one we'd edited in this way, or even at all. Perhaps I missed it. But whatever we did with any such title, it would have been because of the site guideline: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize."

abduhl|6 years ago

The phrase spineless bootlicker is such an internet citizen phrase.

Outrage culture signaling with respect to language is always so fascinating.

marcos123|6 years ago

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Karunamon|6 years ago

That's assuming an awful lot of unncessary bad faith. While the title guidelines are enforced here in an incredibly nonintuitive, nonobjective, nonconsistent way, that's no reason to imply malfeasance.

dang|6 years ago

Thanks for the defense, but I feel a need to pipe up for HN moderators also. It's not true that the title guideline is enforced as you say. If it were, the threads would be full of complaints about titles, when in fact such complaints are an order of magnitude less common than they were, say, 5 years ago. This subthread is an exception, and you'll notice that we've attempted to accommodate the complaints by editing the title again.

We have spent years calibrating how we handle titles and it's one of the most consistent things we do. I know it can be nonintuitive to casual readers at times, but that's because applying that guideline is surprisingly complicated in practice. If it were your job, you'd soon find that as well. Also, people only notice the cases that stand out, which tend to be the edits they dislike and feel we got wrong (which maybe we did). That's a sample bias. Probably less than 5% of title edits even get noticed. Maybe even less than 1%.

We're always happy to answer questions about it, as well as to change titles in response to user feedback, which we do regularly: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....

dinkleberg|6 years ago

Why do you hang out on a site that you would compare to a dictatorial China? It seems like a poor use of time.

GetOutOfBed|6 years ago

With China you know who is in charge. With Hackernews it is a bit more opaque.

dang|6 years ago

I'm in charge of Hacker News. What would you like to know?