Australia has a pretty small domestic market compared to the USA. There's only about 9M people between the ages of 20 and 50 (just guessing that range is the Groupon audience). If you get 10% of that market, you've only got 900K users. This is pretty good, but nowhere near the scale of these sites in the USA. Even if you get every existing Australian in that age range to sign up, you're still not even half the size of Groupon.
An outcome like selling to Yahoo for $40M is probably the best possible outcome for an Australian Groupon clone. Unless my back of the imaginary envelope math is way off, I don't think the company could really objectively be "worth" more than that. Especially since Groupon clones are already a hyper-competitive space in Australia. Microsoft is backing a company, Cudo, that already has ads on network TV.
Apparently Journalisted (http://journalisted.com/) is popular amongst PR types in the UK. Anything like it in the US?
My wife, who works in PR here in Australia, passed on this from someone else, suggesting that someone should build it in Australia:
"Journalisted.com - This is a brilliant service and probably one I use on a daily basis. From a PR point of view, it can be used in one of two ways; if you want to get in touch with a journalist about a story or your client, but you aren’t sure if they’ll be interested, you can search for that journalist and look at the articles they’ve worked on in the past. If you want to get in touch about something to do with science, but the contact has only written about politics in the past, it’s probably best to forget contacting them. Similarly, if there’s a subject matter you have in mind and you want to look up journalists who write about it, you can use journalisted.com for that too."
Thought I'd mention it in case it hadn't been done in the US or AU and someone was interested in trying it.
It's a pretty good model if your strength is in execution (i.e. you have a good team and can launch and grow something quickly). If you are more passionate about innovation and coming up with new things, you might not find this model fulfilling.
Well, it works best with businesses like these coupon/group buying startups where you need localized deals/sales to run the business. You won't be competing with the originals and if the idea is proven, funding shouldn't be problematic with a decent network of contacts.
One of my successful businessman friends told me the same thing years ago. Me being a hopeless optimist, I told him that sounds boring and not very creative. Now 2 years into my own company I see it as a economic reality.
This was a common business model during the first dotcom boom. And it led to a lot of people losing their shirts.
If and when I decide to raise money for an Australian dotcom, I will actually go to Perth first. The city is flush with mining money and has a large pool of investors used to investing in mining exploration -- probably the business most like tech startups in life cycle.
- did they raise money before they had a prototype/MVP?
- do group-buying sites ever loss-lead (e.g., pay merchants to offer extra-special deals) to attract early users?
I've participated as a business in one in Toronto. They took 10% after being launched for 2 months (this was 1.5 years ago). Now industry standard is 50% of the revenues the agency keeps.
It is my understanding that initially they waive or significantly reduce their fees to find some key "launch" deals.
I have some exposure to this industry and subsidies do happen. It's written off as a customer acquisition cost.
So when you see $20 of Amazon coupon being sold for $10 and wonder how on earth it makes sense for anyone (except the customer, of course) - the deal is most likely being subsidised. Hot deal, creates word of mouth, brings in new business, works better than any other form of advertising for immediately converting visitors into customers.
[+] [-] matdwyer|15 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] rdouble|15 years ago|reply
An outcome like selling to Yahoo for $40M is probably the best possible outcome for an Australian Groupon clone. Unless my back of the imaginary envelope math is way off, I don't think the company could really objectively be "worth" more than that. Especially since Groupon clones are already a hyper-competitive space in Australia. Microsoft is backing a company, Cudo, that already has ads on network TV.
[+] [-] prawn|15 years ago|reply
My wife, who works in PR here in Australia, passed on this from someone else, suggesting that someone should build it in Australia:
"Journalisted.com - This is a brilliant service and probably one I use on a daily basis. From a PR point of view, it can be used in one of two ways; if you want to get in touch with a journalist about a story or your client, but you aren’t sure if they’ll be interested, you can search for that journalist and look at the articles they’ve worked on in the past. If you want to get in touch about something to do with science, but the contact has only written about politics in the past, it’s probably best to forget contacting them. Similarly, if there’s a subject matter you have in mind and you want to look up journalists who write about it, you can use journalisted.com for that too."
Thought I'd mention it in case it hadn't been done in the US or AU and someone was interested in trying it.
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If and when I decide to raise money for an Australian dotcom, I will actually go to Perth first. The city is flush with mining money and has a large pool of investors used to investing in mining exploration -- probably the business most like tech startups in life cycle.
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[+] [-] matdwyer|15 years ago|reply
It is my understanding that initially they waive or significantly reduce their fees to find some key "launch" deals.
[+] [-] fookyong|15 years ago|reply
So when you see $20 of Amazon coupon being sold for $10 and wonder how on earth it makes sense for anyone (except the customer, of course) - the deal is most likely being subsidised. Hot deal, creates word of mouth, brings in new business, works better than any other form of advertising for immediately converting visitors into customers.