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repolfx | 6 years ago

The real problem here is a deep political schizophrenia in modern society, or at least parts of it, which demands decisions be deliberately biased towards the outcomes they politically desire. These people then turn around and describe results that are not biased as "biased", which is utterly Orwellian.

I think your comment shows that you understand this. You accept that a decision may be correct, when measured in totally cold and statistical terms. But such decisions would not "change the status quo" and that would be a problem.

But that position is a deeply political one. Why should decisions at banks, tech firms, or wherever be deliberately biased to change the status quo? It's social engineering, a field with a long and terrible track record of catastrophic failure. Failure both to actually change reality, and failure in terms of the resulting human cost.

Injecting bias into otherwise unbiased decisions by manipulating ML models, or by manipulating people (threatening them if they don't toe the line), is never a good thing.

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int_19h|6 years ago

Maintaining the status quo is also a political position, though. In general, there's simply no way to interact with other people at scale without politics coming into play. It can be inadvertent, in a sense that there was no specific intent for "social engineering" - but if one's ethics prioritizes outcome over intent, it doesn't really matter.