[purple_ducks]

> I actually do want to "criminalize homelessness". It should not be an allowable choice

How about people who are an utter nuisance on their neighbours? Do we just say tough luck to the neighbours?

Have you ever experienced that?

People who have zero respect for their neighbours and just do whatever they want at whatever time they want?

How many noise complaints will the neighbours be forced to tolerate because I have zero doubt given SF's governance that putting these people in jail will not happen.

Should people just tolerate their lives being disrupted until all avenues of addiction/mental health/other treatment are exhausted?

[kelnos]

Pretty sure this is an edge case. Sure, one that needs to be handled, but I don't think it invalidates my thinking.

Fines are obviously not a great option, since someone who has been recently homeless likely can't pay them. Maybe jail time is the right answer? I agree that SF wouldn't reach for that solution, but I wasn't talking about things that SF likely would do, just what I think it needs to do in order to get us out of this hole.