[chenning]

You know who else handled conflict in a way that wasn't always understood? Linus Torvalds. I think there's a theme here. Why is it that successful project maintainers sometimes lose their patience with the community? Remember when GvR left the Python community? I think one of his final public statements was, "Now that PEP 572 is done, I don’t ever want to have to fight so hard for a PEP and find that so many people despise my decisions."

[marcus_holmes]

Didn't Linus decide that he'd not been doing this well, and needed to change the way he managed conflict, though? Or did I dream that?

[chenning]

I thought he was apologizing for his use of personal attacks, profanity, insults, and generally what he describes as a lack of empathy. Things like that. His hardliner attitude hasn't changed.

[luhn]

Not a dream. https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/16/167

[infecto]

I can of see a difference though. I am not condoning some of the ways I have seen Linus handle threads but it at least always seemed that there was a valid reason at the root. Maybe it was not communicated well but there did seem to be a reason. In the case of Pipenv, there were broken workflows that would have made this tool unusable for a large portion of the community and the response was just go pound sand? That specific case has been resolved since then but I dropped using it after that thread came up.