This is especially disappointing considering the time, legal and administrative effort and money will be spent on trialing and detention of alleged non-citizens.
For a government which has attained a historical majority for the second time, just imagine the impact they can have if they focussed this energy on improving economic and human-life indicators instead. India still ranks 103 on the world hunger index, even below its less developed neighbour – Pakistan.
I hope they don't squander this majority away, but I fear they will.
* Indigenous people of Assam complain about illegal immigrants from Bangladesh.
* BJP (party in power) promises to deport illegal immigrants
* NRC (National Registry of Citizenship) law is brought to identify and deport illegal immigrants, most of them believed to be Muslims. NRC is applied in Assam for the cost of 16 Billion INR. 1.9 million illegal immigrants are identified.
* It is found that 1.2 million immigrants are Hindus. BJP, a pro Hindu party, can't afford to deport 1.2 million Hindus.
* CAA (Citizenship Amendment Act) is brought to give citizenship to all but Muslim.
* Protests erupt over this act being signed by government.
This entire sequence is incorrect. The sequence dates back to the Assam Accord of 1985 when the current BJP was nowhere close to power. Then there was the Supreme Court mandated NRC process which was decided in 2013. Without mention of these, your so called sequence of events is nothing but a bunch of lies.
NRC was mandated by Assam Accord that was signed by Rajiv Gandhi in the last century. The NRC was carried out in Assam after the SC verdict in 2013 which directed the Government to do it.
For those of you supporting the government's take on this, and their argument that proper documentation is all it takes for being included in the NRC, how do you care to explain that the family of the former president of India 'Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed' was left out of NRC?
CAB is just an anti-muslim filter, and it's downright unethical.
If CAB was truly meant only to deny illegal immigrants, which is infact a right move from a country trying to support its citizens, why base it on religion?
Arguments that say that other religions are persecuted in the neighbouring states, what about Myanmar? The Rohingya persecution has been going on for years and our government has done nothing notable about it. What about Srilanka and the mass genocide of Tamils? Rohingyas and Srilankan Tamils are mostly Hindus. Why not extend the help to them too? Why focus only upon the Muslim majority nations?
The issue that is concerning is the fact that the act specifically makes it harder for Muslims to become citizens. The question here is whether the government is actually trying to prevent illegal immigration or trying to cut down Muslim population in particular.
To your question of religion based immigration, this ignores crucial background - After the Partition in 1947, there were Hindus and other minorities who remained in Pakistan(including current Bangladesh) and Muslims in India. There was the Nehru-Liaquat pact which curtailed further exchange of population provided the minorities were safeguarded.
This agreement was drastically violated, especially in the 1971 war when Pakistan Army deliberately targeted Hindus.
This lead to a mass exodus of Bangladeshi Hindus to India. In fact, the Communist Party, advocated for their citizenship status much before Modi came to power.
There has been further persecution of Hindus, both in Pakistan and Bangladesh
There are few misconceptions about the recently enacted CAA, that need to be clarified.
Citizenship Amendment Act is a law to fast-track citizenship of 'persecuted religious minorities' in 3 neighboring countries Afghanistan/Pakistan/Bangladesh.
It is a case of positive discrimination (affirmative action for the Americans) towards Hindu/Christian/Sikh/Buddhist/Parsi refugees.
It does not affect normal citizens of India. It is also NOT a case of negative discrimination against Muslim refugees, like most detractors claim it to be. Official tweet from India's Home Ministry clarifies this - https://twitter.com/PIBHomeAffairs/status/120730412196068556.... The usual waiting period of 11 years stays as it is for them. For minority refugees, it is reduced to 5 years. That's all.
Every country has a database of its citizens. India was lagging far behind in this. Due to enormous population, porous borders and poor living conditions, there are a lot more undocumented immigrants in India than probably any other country on earth. The National Register of Citizens is an attempt to set that right.
There are few misconceptions about the recently enacted CAA, that need to be clarified.
Citizenship Amendment Act is a law to fast-track citizenship of 'persecuted religious minorities' in 3 neighboring countries Afghanistan/Pakistan/Bangladesh.
It is a case of positive discrimination (affirmative action for the Americans) towards Hindu/Christian/Sikh/Buddhist/Parsi refugees.
It does not affect normal citizens of India. It is also NOT a case of negative discrimination against Muslim refugees, like most detractors claim it to be. Official tweet from India's Home Ministry clarifies this - https://twitter.com/PIBHomeAffairs/status/120730412196068556.... The usual waiting period of 11 years stays as it is for them. For minority refugees, it is reduced to 5 years. That's all.
Every country has a database of its citizens. India was lagging far behind in this. Due to enormous population, porous borders and poor living conditions, there are a lot more undocumented immigrants in India than probably any other country on earth. The National Register of Citizens is an attempt to set that right.
Again, the above view is the government line and is meant to misguide and create ambiguity. Read the CAA in combination with the NRC to understand how it is similar to the Nuremberg laws.
This thread has a lot of government propaganda shills.
This is extremely bad but also completely expected. Concrete promises of economic growth are hard to deliver on, so the Politicians will focus on inciting religious differences instead.
This is beyond bad. The government has slowly inched to their religions roots and have made religious segregation their primary mandate. I mean, at this rate, we will be no different from Saudi Arabia or other countries where religion dominates all policy decisions.
I don't know if Modi is a hard core religious fanatic or if his hands are just tied down by RSS brass who are most likely inciting this nonsense, especially at a stage when the economy is in near doldrums.
Pretty much true. Also very sad considering the history of communal violence in south asia, which had trended towards getting better rather than worse in more recent decades.
I grew up in India and cherish where I came from, but the recent hard lurches towards a fascist ethnostate - often with the enthusiastic support of India's majority (including my family members) - sadden me deeply and make me wonder what the future has in store.
India is far from being a fascist ethnostate, unless you have been reading media reports which are filled with false details and crucial ommisions. In fact, there are colonial laws which prevent Hindus from even running temples or schools without being taken over by the state. Also, they are routinely the targets of violence which dont come to prominence in western media reports.
One of the outcomes of this post is that the extreme bias in reporting in the media has reached HN. For any Hindus reading this, stop responding emotionally and instead try to document the various kinds of bias in media thoroughly. People like Vamsee Juluri have written about coverage of Hindu issues in prominent western media. Anand Ranganathan has logs of media bias on incidents of violence etc.
> The Goalpara camp is one of at least 10 planned detention centres, according to local media reports. It is around the size of seven football pitches and designed to hold 3,000 people.
While I empathize with the people being detained, the headline is really misleading. Above makes it 21 thousands - or of that order.
Man. What is it with this wave of nationalistic zealotry that seems to be sweeping most of the world? Has it just been long enough since World War 2 that it's already time to re-learn these lessons?
If you look to the past (1945-1980) the general situation was improving at an unbelievable pace by an absurd magnitude. Resources were abundant and there was a lot that needed to be done, life got better very quickly.
It is very hard to be antagonistic in such circumstances - what is there to fight over, really?
It is possible that resources are getting scarce again and old battle lines are rediscovered as nations, classes and tribes restart old squabbles. There is less cheap oil per capita, cities are getting cramped and the radical change technology bought in the 90s and 2000s is slowing down so it isn't obvious that there are easy opportunities still opening up on that front.
Only a (maybe tongue-in-cheek) theory, but perhaps the ruling classes see the writing on the wall in terms of economic/ecological/social collapse, and are starting to make preparations for large scale social unrest?
Even more recently, we saw the utter destruction brought by nationalists after the break-up of Yugoslavia no more than 25 years ago.
In Bosnia, nationalist zealots killed civilians and committed genocide. If you've forgotten, look up Sarajevo and Srebrenica. There were murder camps put up by "Make Serbia Great Again" type nationalists. Their stated goal: "to contain the spread of Islam in Europe."
Only 25 years ago... And today the President of the United States is a man who sounds just like Milosevic. This rehabilitation of nationalism is the greatest disappointment of my lifetime.
A response to the threat of global warming. Historically major climate events have been a strong indicator of wars. Researchers have been predicting this for a while.
We won the Cold War. Now everyone doesn’t have to pick a side for survival. Plenty of spare time for navel gazing and wondering who is keeping you down.
While the arrow of progress is forward, the blips can last for a millenia.
As a Muslim immigrant entrepreneur living in the Valley, I had to call my parents to allay their fears of the current law. A community of 200 million feels threatened.
I don’t understand how immigrants from India support modi. Is it because he panders to our immigrant egos?
We are a minority in this country and as one community we face the continued threat of right wing groups here., despite that I am amazed by the support of the same kind or worse right wing party in India.
This is disgusting and I feel it is a crime. Freedom is of the most precious things living humans have. So maybe progressive part of the world will wake the f.. up and apply some pressure.
Endorsing Citizenship Bill will eventually trickle down to separate countries for Muslim/Sikh/Christian/Parsi/Buddhist/Jain/SC/ST Communities in India aka http://archive.vn/tUrIv
Someone needs to tell anonymous somewhere to help and join India's youth against a fascist government. This is the final straw. India's ban on internet is straight up challenging the Democratic pillars
This is bad and I fear that the next thing they are going to do is remove socialist and secular from Preamble which was added in the 42nd amendment in 1976
India was partitioned on the basis of religion, so how did we end up with one (now two) Islamic countries and one secular. Regardless how you look at it, Hindus got the short end of the stick.
[+] [-] webartisan|6 years ago|reply
For a government which has attained a historical majority for the second time, just imagine the impact they can have if they focussed this energy on improving economic and human-life indicators instead. India still ranks 103 on the world hunger index, even below its less developed neighbour – Pakistan.
I hope they don't squander this majority away, but I fear they will.
[+] [-] silentguy|6 years ago|reply
* Indigenous people of Assam complain about illegal immigrants from Bangladesh.
* BJP (party in power) promises to deport illegal immigrants
* NRC (National Registry of Citizenship) law is brought to identify and deport illegal immigrants, most of them believed to be Muslims. NRC is applied in Assam for the cost of 16 Billion INR. 1.9 million illegal immigrants are identified.
* It is found that 1.2 million immigrants are Hindus. BJP, a pro Hindu party, can't afford to deport 1.2 million Hindus.
* CAA (Citizenship Amendment Act) is brought to give citizenship to all but Muslim.
* Protests erupt over this act being signed by government.
[+] [-] fellellor|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] sbmthakur|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] pavish|6 years ago|reply
CAB is just an anti-muslim filter, and it's downright unethical.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/former-president-fakhr...
Edit:
If CAB was truly meant only to deny illegal immigrants, which is infact a right move from a country trying to support its citizens, why base it on religion?
Arguments that say that other religions are persecuted in the neighbouring states, what about Myanmar? The Rohingya persecution has been going on for years and our government has done nothing notable about it. What about Srilanka and the mass genocide of Tamils? Rohingyas and Srilankan Tamils are mostly Hindus. Why not extend the help to them too? Why focus only upon the Muslim majority nations?
The issue that is concerning is the fact that the act specifically makes it harder for Muslims to become citizens. The question here is whether the government is actually trying to prevent illegal immigration or trying to cut down Muslim population in particular.
[+] [-] enugu|6 years ago|reply
This agreement was drastically violated, especially in the 1971 war when Pakistan Army deliberately targeted Hindus.
This site run by Muslim Bangladeshis documents some details http://www.genocidebangladesh.org/
This lead to a mass exodus of Bangladeshi Hindus to India. In fact, the Communist Party, advocated for their citizenship status much before Modi came to power.
There has been further persecution of Hindus, both in Pakistan and Bangladesh
https://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2018/06/05/bangladeshi-profes...
Also, regarding Myanmar, note that this act also doesnt give refugee status to Hindus who are also being persecuted in Myanmar. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/05/myanmar-new-e...
[+] [-] sbmthakur|6 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] vijaybritto|6 years ago|reply
The first step is to make millions of people illegal.
Next is to give all but Muslims citizenship. Muslims would be stripped off their right to vote.
Even hitler would be inspired from such evil plans.
(Also from the comments everyone can see how heartless people can be)
[+] [-] cmonnow|6 years ago|reply
Citizenship Amendment Act is a law to fast-track citizenship of 'persecuted religious minorities' in 3 neighboring countries Afghanistan/Pakistan/Bangladesh.
It is a case of positive discrimination (affirmative action for the Americans) towards Hindu/Christian/Sikh/Buddhist/Parsi refugees.
Here is the reddit thread explaining the Act in simple language - https://old.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/e9qhvb/cab_in_...
It does not affect normal citizens of India. It is also NOT a case of negative discrimination against Muslim refugees, like most detractors claim it to be. Official tweet from India's Home Ministry clarifies this - https://twitter.com/PIBHomeAffairs/status/120730412196068556.... The usual waiting period of 11 years stays as it is for them. For minority refugees, it is reduced to 5 years. That's all.
Every country has a database of its citizens. India was lagging far behind in this. Due to enormous population, porous borders and poor living conditions, there are a lot more undocumented immigrants in India than probably any other country on earth. The National Register of Citizens is an attempt to set that right.
[+] [-] knowThySelfx|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] sbmthakur|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] baud147258|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] cmonnow|6 years ago|reply
Citizenship Amendment Act is a law to fast-track citizenship of 'persecuted religious minorities' in 3 neighboring countries Afghanistan/Pakistan/Bangladesh.
It is a case of positive discrimination (affirmative action for the Americans) towards Hindu/Christian/Sikh/Buddhist/Parsi refugees.
Here is the reddit thread explaining the Act's intricacies and FAQ - https://old.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/e9qhvb/cab_in_...
It does not affect normal citizens of India. It is also NOT a case of negative discrimination against Muslim refugees, like most detractors claim it to be. Official tweet from India's Home Ministry clarifies this - https://twitter.com/PIBHomeAffairs/status/120730412196068556.... The usual waiting period of 11 years stays as it is for them. For minority refugees, it is reduced to 5 years. That's all.
Every country has a database of its citizens. India was lagging far behind in this. Due to enormous population, porous borders and poor living conditions, there are a lot more undocumented immigrants in India than probably any other country on earth. The National Register of Citizens is an attempt to set that right.
[+] [-] HaseebR7|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] askertask|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] goombastic|6 years ago|reply
This thread has a lot of government propaganda shills.
[+] [-] pm90|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] deepGem|6 years ago|reply
I don't know if Modi is a hard core religious fanatic or if his hands are just tied down by RSS brass who are most likely inciting this nonsense, especially at a stage when the economy is in near doldrums.
The government has also passed the equivalent of patriot act in India. https://techcrunch.com/2019/12/10/india-personal-data-protec...
CAB + NRC + Data bill => Orwelian fucking dictatorship all around.
What an awful time to be in India. Sadly, most people will wake up to the reality later than sooner.
[+] [-] smt1|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] xenocyon|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] enugu|6 years ago|reply
One of the outcomes of this post is that the extreme bias in reporting in the media has reached HN. For any Hindus reading this, stop responding emotionally and instead try to document the various kinds of bias in media thoroughly. People like Vamsee Juluri have written about coverage of Hindu issues in prominent western media. Anand Ranganathan has logs of media bias on incidents of violence etc.
[+] [-] sanmon3186|6 years ago|reply
While I empathize with the people being detained, the headline is really misleading. Above makes it 21 thousands - or of that order.
[+] [-] _bxg1|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] roenxi|6 years ago|reply
It is very hard to be antagonistic in such circumstances - what is there to fight over, really?
It is possible that resources are getting scarce again and old battle lines are rediscovered as nations, classes and tribes restart old squabbles. There is less cheap oil per capita, cities are getting cramped and the radical change technology bought in the 90s and 2000s is slowing down so it isn't obvious that there are easy opportunities still opening up on that front.
[+] [-] King-Aaron|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] pavlov|6 years ago|reply
In Bosnia, nationalist zealots killed civilians and committed genocide. If you've forgotten, look up Sarajevo and Srebrenica. There were murder camps put up by "Make Serbia Great Again" type nationalists. Their stated goal: "to contain the spread of Islam in Europe."
Only 25 years ago... And today the President of the United States is a man who sounds just like Milosevic. This rehabilitation of nationalism is the greatest disappointment of my lifetime.
[+] [-] whoopdedo|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] hindsightbias|6 years ago|reply
While the arrow of progress is forward, the blips can last for a millenia.
Unknown how long the War of Capitalisms will be.
[+] [-] DefeatFascists|6 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] anovikov|6 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] azifali|6 years ago|reply
We are a minority in this country and as one community we face the continued threat of right wing groups here., despite that I am amazed by the support of the same kind or worse right wing party in India.
[+] [-] blaser-waffle|6 years ago|reply
- Ugyers in China
- US draconian immigration detention centers
- Now India is gettin into the mix
Not a lot of hope for the rest of the 21st Century, tbh.
[+] [-] known|6 years ago|reply
Why?
Illegal immigrants are granted Indian Citizenship;
But Legal immigrants from Muslim community are denied Indian Citizenship;
http://archive.vn/lhvHH
[+] [-] cmonnow|6 years ago|reply
If you are new to this issue, and want to understand the CAA/CAB in simple words - https://old.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/e9qhvb/cab_in_...
[+] [-] FpUser|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] yumraj|6 years ago|reply
This is for illegal immigrants.
No country in the world blindly accepts illegal immigrants.
[+] [-] known|6 years ago|reply
http://archive.vn/qdQL3 https://archive.vn/TIy5h http://ncrb.gov.in https://archive.md/u0PDB https://archive.vn/KThMP
[+] [-] kiwifan|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] known|6 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] hprotagonist|6 years ago|reply
The habit-forming pain,
Mismanagement and grief:
We must suffer them all again.
[+] [-] known|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] casouniquo|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] yumraj|6 years ago|reply
India was partitioned on the basis of religion, so how did we end up with one (now two) Islamic countries and one secular. Regardless how you look at it, Hindus got the short end of the stick.