[MisterOctober]

I like JS. I use JS daily. JS is part of the workflow for nearly everyone I know who works with code. For me, ES6 is fantastic to use. Some of the better books on JS [I'm thinking specifically of Haverbeke's "Eloquent Javascript"] are general computing classics in their own right.

I used to be a snob about JS, due to the fact that in the 90s / early 2000s, it had major shortcomings and produced a lot of slow, crashy web pages. But when I learned modern JS, I realized that it is now a fully mature language equal to any other, and easily used in a huge variety of contexts [thanks in no small part to Node]

[LandR]

I have to use Javascript almost daily at work, I hate it.

Up until a year ago or so I hadn't really had to use it much, I'm finding it so bad I'm seriously looking at how I can get into an alternate career. Working with JS is a profoundly miserable experience.

I hate what this industry has become.

[MisterOctober]

what were you using before JS, and in what domain is the work? Genuinely curious

[ryeights]

JS is a terrible language. The amount of pitfalls, language features you must avoid, and obscure paradigms you must follow to make JS usable is mind-boggling. Just because you can use JS well doesn't mean it's a good language.

[ahuth]

Out of curiosity, what languages do you think are good ones?

[ausjke]

no longer is too good or too bad, it depends on how much time you spent on it and how good you're at it actually.

[TurkishPoptart]

Here's a link to that book you mentioned if anyone needs it: https://eloquentjavascript.net/Eloquent_JavaScript.pdf

Thanks, I'm reading it now.

[fhfghfghgf]

>JS daily. JS is part of the workflow for nearly everyone I know who works with code.

What about there being no choice when you want to do almost anything web related

WASM ain't mature yet.

[scottoreily]

Are you pretending that there's not a fair amount of devs writing Node services?