[FussyZeus]

Markets created this mess. Markets will not solve it. Single payer takes insurance out of the game entirely, just run the entire industry out of town and be done with it. Doctors fix people, Doctors are paid by the Government what is reliably determined to be going rates for their services.

We (the United States) are the SOLE western country that does not have state sponsored healthcare, and it shows and it's ridiculous. I don't know how anyone can feel we are the greatest or great in any capacity when a car accident can send a family into poverty.

[nickik]

Markets are not responsible for insane health care regulation that restrict competition. Those exist locally and by state for insurances and providers. I could go on a whole list of all of these insane regulation that exist in the US. The US law going back to World War 2 that essentially forces people to get health insurance threw your employer is one one example of one of the dumbest ever laws and incredibly harmful to people.

The point is that everything that's outside of the regulated insurance market, such as plastic or lasik surgery and a whole list of other things are actually getting consistently cheaper while operations that are captured in a totally degenerate insurance market go the opposite direction.

We don't have many western countries that have ever even tried a more market style of health care. Singapore is the most market oriented system in the world and its by far the cheapest when looking at % of GDP.