I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes. I have been on the intermittent fasting thing for about 6 months. I started with 14 hours then 16 hours and now 18-20 hour fast. I dropped 10 pounds. I have a history of diabetes in my family. I took the 28andME DNA test and it said i have a predisposition to diabetes. The doc said to me. You have pre-diabetes just continue to workout and watch what you eat and your insurance does not cover a dietician and then that was it. It was VERY HARD to not eat in morning (black coffee) and after 1 month i got used to , it was very hard to skip lunch and after a few weeks i got used to that. Now now my feeding window is 4pm-8pm. I was pigging out at 4pm but have learned to control that. I workout in a fasted stated 12-1pm ( body weight , pullups. push-ups. 1 mile sprint HIIT and planks) I still get hunger pangs around 3pm its as if my body is getting ready to feed / knows food is coming around 4pm. Another thing that has happened is water tastes "sweeter" very unusual to actually taste water. The result for me is EVERYTHING has improved. I am 48 years old. No more carb fog. No more headaches. I think, i don't know buy i have this clarity i think my eye site has improved too. I mean Im still experimenting but i just feel fantastic. I will be getting blood work done again soon. It's working for me , i don't know if it will work for others. I tell everyone about it. Good LUCKY! :-)
Intermittent fasting has a nice advantage - nobody can make any money off of it. This gives it an inherent legitimacy. Contrast all other fad diets, and essentially every supplement ever sold.
>Intermittent fasting has a nice advantage - nobody can make any money off of it.
I think the Abrahamic religions figured it out already...you create holy days like Yom Kippur, Lent, Ramadan and make fasting a mainstay of the traditions. Boom, not only can you make money on not eating, but you can simultaneously take credit for all the actual benefits of the fast itself.
Are you sure ? Targeting fasting people with ads at the right time of day is probably very lucrative. You can probably be sure that once algorithms pick-up that if some fasting people are more prone to click on ads they will push more people to try intermittent fasting regardless of the effects on health.
I don’t think it’s that different from other diets. The money is in books and consulting. People also need to know what to eat when they aren’t fasting so there is an opportunity there.
Fasting is not a diet .. it's whatever diet limited to time .. and yes there are tons of 'diets' that say they work better with fasting and sell crappy books about it ..
Eating proper food that isn't processed, putting the effort in to cook my own meals, eating lots of vegetables, fruit, nuts, legumes etc, also has a nice advantage to it. Fasting is another fad for people who don't want to put the effort in to eat well.
How can I make a fasting cookbook? The fasting gets results. What I like about fasting is that a person can't get into an argument on the Internet with a troll about what foods a person can eat and which are not apart of the diet. Are potatoes Paleo or not?
So they don't sell supplements but they will peddle you books, lecture tours, and even special foods at massive cost. It's like any other diet industry past the first glance.
I tried intermittent fasting for 11 months with very, very little to show for it. I did the 18 hours off and 6 hours of eating plan. I have also tried a strict vegetarian diet for 6 months with no real changes in blood work. My Cholesterol didn't move to the dismay of my PCP and myself quite frankly.
Biology: I am a professional Firefighter that ran 1000 miles and bicycled 250 miles during this time frame. My sleep isn't always consistent which may have played a role due to my profession. I also drink two beers (Karmeliet, Chimay are stocked in my house) with dinner when I am off. So I drink roughly 8 - 10 beers a week. I probably could do better with calorie counting, but frankly it seems futile so long as I like the way I look naked, lol.
Have you also tried going a whole day without eating, say 8pm as your last meal and then no eating until 2 days later at 8am, basically 36 hours.
Doing that once a week or so is pretty effective. There's a whole host of benefits to longer fasts as well. Helps so much with appetite control, resets your hormones, plus autophagy, etc.
in my experience, sleep is the first problem to be solved. If a person can't get good quality and quantity of sleep nothing else helps. First sleep then meditation to tame the chronic stress response.
nothing else - fasting, diet, exercise etc helps before sleep.
btw alcohol and caffeine screws the quality of sleep.
I was vegetarian for about a decade and during that time my cholesterol was too low such that my doctor recommended "nuts, beer, wine, and hard liquor" as a way to boost my LDL. I saved the voicemail he left and it was a running joke that I had a prescription for the bar. The moment I started eating meat again my levels went back up.
My doctor has always said I was overweight but in the last couple years I added an extra 30lbs due lack of routine exercise. This summer I started doing intermittent fasting from 9pm-noon and quickly lost the extra 30lbs of weight but I seemed to have plateaued and haven't lost anymore. I'm 6'5" and my ideal weight is 190lbs, I have always hovered around 200.
Did you still drink beer when doing IF? I think it may be worth trying IF again then without he beer consumption. Beer contains carbs and will thus increase your insulin levels and the alcohol will delay processing of carbs in your liver thus delaying the onset of fasting.
Also vegetarian diets are often carb-heavy and a major health benefit of fasting is the absence of carbs.
I am more of a multi day fasting person tbh. Fasting for two days and three nights surely is successful with me.
Yeah... there are no nutritional absolute truths unfortunately. Some people have high LDL that is relatively resistant to lifestyle intervention, probably due to genetics. At least there is the option to take a cholesterol lowering drug.
I don't know the size and strength of the beer you are drinking, but maybe you could try cutting that out.
I tried intermittent fasting as an alternative to relatively fastidious calorie counting and ended up slowly gaining weight due to snackier food choices which I equalized with biweekly all day fasts. I'm sure I can make it work but I prefer meal prep and having regular energy levels throughout the day which gives me much more flexibility in terms of other fitness goals, i.e. I had a much narrow window of performance at gym under IF and I stopped mostly because my it got in the way of gym scheduling.
I feel like going on IF without some kind of carbohydrate restriction (ideally, ketogenic diet) is a bit like alternating between stepping on the brakes and on the accelerator, i.e. not as healthy or effective.
Beer can be high in sugar, especially Belgian/Abbey beers that often include glucose syrup in their ingredients. Something I discovered with horror as they are some of my favorites :/
EDIT: clarification, don't want to imply that IF without carb restriction is bad, just probably not as effective.
Problem with vegetarian diet is it allows for eating cheese and eggs which are full of cholesterol. I've been vegan for a while and my blood work has improved dramatically. Also, just being vegan/vegetarian doesn't mean anything unless you also eat well; lots of vegetables, fruit, nuts, legumes and whole grains. I'm guessing 8-10 beers a week didn't help, full of sugar.
> I find the 16/8 routine tends to work best for me personally
That timeline as "fasting" is funny to me up because that is basically how people used to eat in 20th century USA, pre-obesity. You'd eat three meals a day, all reasonably sized (or even small by todays standards), and at specific times. No you can't have a snack, that would ruin your appetite!
But now people are addicted to food and abuse it rampantly as is evidenced by the majorities waistlines and health care expenditure, it's terrible for us all but it's not only the most culturally acceptable form of substance abuse, it's widely encouraged and even celebrated. Strange times.
I want to know the relative benefits of the different protocols (I asked on the fasting subreddit, but didn't get much response).
I am not overweight, but I see that IF can increase growth hormone and testosterone, and increase insulin sensitivity, which are of interest to me. I would like to know if I am better doing a couple of longer fasts peer week, or if skipping breakfast would be enough. (Longer fasts feel like they have more benefit, but are more effort, especially when I am trying NOT to loose weight).
Does anyone know of anywhere good to compare the benefits of different IF protocols?
Please understand that everyone's body is different.
What works for you may not work for someone else.
This is SO important in nutritional research because in every single one these threads there is always someone who will say X worked for me and someone else who says X didn't work for me. And BOTH are right.
Example:
I've done IF for years as a competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter. I've gained and lost weight on IF. IF should (until more research is done) simply be viewed as a compliance tactic. In other words, if it helps you eat healthier and maintain a healthy weight: great! If not, don't assume you're missing out on some magical panacea of health and vitality.
Recently I stopped doing IF and eating more frequently for performance reasons so I can reach the national circuit in powerlifting. My blood work is still fine. My weight is still fine. Again, YMMV.
I've been engaging in intermittent fasting to various extents for almost a decade now and am a huge fan of it.
It takes a bit to get used to and should be adapted to over time, but I very much love the feeling of fasting for short periods and the freedom I'm granted to be able to easily skip meals, most commonly breakfast and lunch. I often only eat one meal a day, which saves me time, energy, and money, but I also enjoy the meal more, as I can include large portions of a lot of food groups in my single meal.
That this has many potential health benefits makes this style of eating appear even more appealing. Caloric restriction, although not quite the same as intermittent fasting, does appear to be one of the more promising methods we already have to help promote human longevity.
I didn't write OP, I just host it. And that particular page is also just some random notes I've taken on IF over the years, and not particularly comprehensive or high-quality.
From my personal experience over the past 2 years, intermittent fasting is great. It doesn't help me lose weight, but I am able to keep off about 80% of the weight I lose when I do a keto diet every few months.
I’ve been doing some form of intermittent fasting for a large part of the last 15 years.
I started with 36 hours once a week because I made money based on the appearance of my body. It works tremendously well in the short-term, but it’s deceptive. The tissue loss is mostly fat, which looks great, but there is definitely some muscle loss, which is an order of magnitude harder to gain back, so the long-term effect is muscle wasting and fat rebound as caloric demands drop. It’s easy to see in my photos. Later I did OMAD several times for stretches of about a year with roughly similar short and long-term effects. Recently I completed a 100-hour fast.
There are a few basic issues. First, with IF you’re not really fasting as long as you think you are. Small intestines take about 6 hours, and the colon turns fIber into MCTs for days. Second, the insulin surge becomes preferential to fatty acid storage over muscle glycogen. Third, you lose the ghrelin-induced GH that releases fatty acids throughout the day to feed the muscles. There may be autophagy benefits, but that may be as true for satellite cells as it is for cancer, and maybe more so because cancer usually originates in fatty tissues with lots of energy nearby.
At this point, by experience and by science, I don’t think IF is the best diet protocol if you have the discipline for a more continuous protocol. I don’t, so I can’t say I’ve tried that, and I hate the fat on my body, so I’m not sure where to go from here. I’m not 100% convinced either way, but I wanted to give a balancing perspective.
I have been intermittent fasting for about 23 hours a day in the last decade and this works very well for me, I couldn't imagine to eat more often than that.
However, for the first seven months of 2019 I tried to do 48-72 hour fasts three times every week, but I just couldn't adapt to that. It's nice with the euphoria effect, but in the long run I found it depressing going to sleep without eating and it had a very negative effect on my life quality.
Now I'm back at eating a single meal every day and feel great.
A good time and place to plug results of the IF experiment I did a few years back. FWIW, I have been on a no-breakfast, no-lunch protocol, on weekdays since then and I absolutely love it because it keeps me sharp through the day (no post-glucose “dullness”).
I’ve been doing small fasts: typically in the morning, I don’t eat anything until after I work out. So, these usually end up being twelve to 16 hour fasts.
I would actually like to try to fast for 24 hours, starting after an evening meal.
My problem is I do a lot of cycling. If I don’t eat, I bonk hard and lose energy. So, I would need to time this after a day of resting after a ride.
> We established an isocaloric twice-a-day (ITAD) feeding model wherein ITAD-fed mice consume the same food amount as ad libitum controls but at two short windows early and late in the diurnal cycle. We hypothesized that ITAD feeding will provide two intervals of intermeal fasting per circadian period and induce autophagy. We show that ITAD feeding modifies circadian autophagy and glucose/lipid metabolism that correlate with feeding-driven changes in circulating insulin. ITAD feeding decreases adiposity and, unlike CR, enhances muscle mass. ITAD feeding drives energy expenditure, lowers lipid levels, suppresses gluconeogenesis, and prevents age/obesity-associated metabolic defects. Using liver-, adipose-, myogenic-, and proopiomelanocortin neuron-specific autophagy-null mice, we mapped the contribution of tissue-specific autophagy to system-wide benefits of ITAD feeding. Our studies suggest that consuming two meals a day without CR could prevent the metabolic syndrome.
> We first validate the approach by showing that it allows the identification and characterization of autophagosomes in the livers of food-restricted mice. We use the method to identify constitutive autophagosomes in cortical neurons and Purkinje cells, and we show that short-term fasting leads to a dramatic upregulation in neuronal autophagy.
> …
> Our data lead us to speculate that sporadic fasting might represent a simple, safe and inexpensive means to promote this potentially therapeutic neuronal response.
Are there any active studies on intermittent fasting in healthy young adults? (NY area)
I’m interested in intermittent fasting but I’d like to objectively track the effects beyond fat/weight loss. For example: ketone body blood concentration, respiratory exchange ratio, heart rate variability, etc.
> Epidemiologic data suggest that excessive energy intake, particularly in midlife, increases the risks of stroke, Alzheimer’s disease, and Parkinson’s
disease.
Would be great to have some new therapies for these terrible diseases.
I agree with the advice here to start slowly. I am not fasting right now because I am on the Dr. Fuhrman Eat to Live anti inflammatory diet, but usually I try to eat all my food on a given day in 8 to 9 hours, which leaves 16 to 15 hours a day fasting. Every few weeks, I like to get a one day fast in, but I am not always consistent with that.
By starting slowly, and by eating plenty of food during the eating periods, it is fairly easy to maintain energy during fasting.
If anyone has done this without trying or wanting to lose weight (ie, for some other purpose), could you share more? What was your goal? Did you reach it? For 24+ hour fasts, did you deliberately compensate by eating more before and after?
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[0] even this is debatable
[+] [-] throwaway_tech|6 years ago|reply
I think the Abrahamic religions figured it out already...you create holy days like Yom Kippur, Lent, Ramadan and make fasting a mainstay of the traditions. Boom, not only can you make money on not eating, but you can simultaneously take credit for all the actual benefits of the fast itself.
[+] [-] acconrad|6 years ago|reply
Martin Berkhan created a very lucrative coaching platform with Intermittent Fasting: https://leangains.com/
Many books have been written on IF for profit:
https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Guide-Fasting-Intermittent-A...
https://www.amazon.com/Eat-Stop-Brad-Pilon/dp/177511080X/ref...
And countless others.
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I’m already seeing ads on Instagram for an app that’ll tell me exactly when to fast.
Also I use an app that allows restaurants to offer me discounts for eating at unusual times, and it’s big in the city I live in.
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I tried intermittent fasting for 11 months with very, very little to show for it. I did the 18 hours off and 6 hours of eating plan. I have also tried a strict vegetarian diet for 6 months with no real changes in blood work. My Cholesterol didn't move to the dismay of my PCP and myself quite frankly.
Biology: I am a professional Firefighter that ran 1000 miles and bicycled 250 miles during this time frame. My sleep isn't always consistent which may have played a role due to my profession. I also drink two beers (Karmeliet, Chimay are stocked in my house) with dinner when I am off. So I drink roughly 8 - 10 beers a week. I probably could do better with calorie counting, but frankly it seems futile so long as I like the way I look naked, lol.
[+] [-] fouc|6 years ago|reply
Doing that once a week or so is pretty effective. There's a whole host of benefits to longer fasts as well. Helps so much with appetite control, resets your hormones, plus autophagy, etc.
[+] [-] jagannathtech|6 years ago|reply
nothing else - fasting, diet, exercise etc helps before sleep.
btw alcohol and caffeine screws the quality of sleep.
[+] [-] cptskippy|6 years ago|reply
My doctor has always said I was overweight but in the last couple years I added an extra 30lbs due lack of routine exercise. This summer I started doing intermittent fasting from 9pm-noon and quickly lost the extra 30lbs of weight but I seemed to have plateaued and haven't lost anymore. I'm 6'5" and my ideal weight is 190lbs, I have always hovered around 200.
[+] [-] wirrbel|6 years ago|reply
Also vegetarian diets are often carb-heavy and a major health benefit of fasting is the absence of carbs.
I am more of a multi day fasting person tbh. Fasting for two days and three nights surely is successful with me.
[+] [-] Gatsky|6 years ago|reply
I don't know the size and strength of the beer you are drinking, but maybe you could try cutting that out.
[+] [-] dirtyid|6 years ago|reply
I tried intermittent fasting as an alternative to relatively fastidious calorie counting and ended up slowly gaining weight due to snackier food choices which I equalized with biweekly all day fasts. I'm sure I can make it work but I prefer meal prep and having regular energy levels throughout the day which gives me much more flexibility in terms of other fitness goals, i.e. I had a much narrow window of performance at gym under IF and I stopped mostly because my it got in the way of gym scheduling.
[+] [-] pacoverdi|6 years ago|reply
Beer can be high in sugar, especially Belgian/Abbey beers that often include glucose syrup in their ingredients. Something I discovered with horror as they are some of my favorites :/
EDIT: clarification, don't want to imply that IF without carb restriction is bad, just probably not as effective.
[+] [-] notadoc|6 years ago|reply
Interesting.
Were you a junk food vegetarian? Were the carbohydrates high glycemic? Or did you eat a ton of dairy?
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[+] [-] joelrunyon|6 years ago|reply
I also highly recommend the zero fasting app for tracking. Super simple and really clean app that makes tracking fasts simple.
Start small and see how it goes. I find the 16/8 routine tends to work best for me personally with 36 hour fasts sprinkled in every couple weeks.
[+] [-] notadoc|6 years ago|reply
That timeline as "fasting" is funny to me up because that is basically how people used to eat in 20th century USA, pre-obesity. You'd eat three meals a day, all reasonably sized (or even small by todays standards), and at specific times. No you can't have a snack, that would ruin your appetite!
But now people are addicted to food and abuse it rampantly as is evidenced by the majorities waistlines and health care expenditure, it's terrible for us all but it's not only the most culturally acceptable form of substance abuse, it's widely encouraged and even celebrated. Strange times.
[+] [-] everdev|6 years ago|reply
Even small fasts seem to sap my concentration and critical thinking. Once I eat again I feel like I think better.
[+] [-] collyw|6 years ago|reply
I am not overweight, but I see that IF can increase growth hormone and testosterone, and increase insulin sensitivity, which are of interest to me. I would like to know if I am better doing a couple of longer fasts peer week, or if skipping breakfast would be enough. (Longer fasts feel like they have more benefit, but are more effort, especially when I am trying NOT to loose weight).
Does anyone know of anywhere good to compare the benefits of different IF protocols?
[+] [-] toomuchtodo|6 years ago|reply
Edit: Thanks all! This’ll help me progress from 16/8 to consistent longer fasts.
[+] [-] acconrad|6 years ago|reply
What works for you may not work for someone else.
This is SO important in nutritional research because in every single one these threads there is always someone who will say X worked for me and someone else who says X didn't work for me. And BOTH are right.
Example:
I've done IF for years as a competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter. I've gained and lost weight on IF. IF should (until more research is done) simply be viewed as a compliance tactic. In other words, if it helps you eat healthier and maintain a healthy weight: great! If not, don't assume you're missing out on some magical panacea of health and vitality.
Recently I stopped doing IF and eating more frequently for performance reasons so I can reach the national circuit in powerlifting. My blood work is still fine. My weight is still fine. Again, YMMV.
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[+] [-] ve55|6 years ago|reply
It takes a bit to get used to and should be adapted to over time, but I very much love the feeling of fasting for short periods and the freedom I'm granted to be able to easily skip meals, most commonly breakfast and lunch. I often only eat one meal a day, which saves me time, energy, and money, but I also enjoy the meal more, as I can include large portions of a lot of food groups in my single meal.
That this has many potential health benefits makes this style of eating appear even more appealing. Caloric restriction, although not quite the same as intermittent fasting, does appear to be one of the more promising methods we already have to help promote human longevity.
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I started with 36 hours once a week because I made money based on the appearance of my body. It works tremendously well in the short-term, but it’s deceptive. The tissue loss is mostly fat, which looks great, but there is definitely some muscle loss, which is an order of magnitude harder to gain back, so the long-term effect is muscle wasting and fat rebound as caloric demands drop. It’s easy to see in my photos. Later I did OMAD several times for stretches of about a year with roughly similar short and long-term effects. Recently I completed a 100-hour fast.
There are a few basic issues. First, with IF you’re not really fasting as long as you think you are. Small intestines take about 6 hours, and the colon turns fIber into MCTs for days. Second, the insulin surge becomes preferential to fatty acid storage over muscle glycogen. Third, you lose the ghrelin-induced GH that releases fatty acids throughout the day to feed the muscles. There may be autophagy benefits, but that may be as true for satellite cells as it is for cancer, and maybe more so because cancer usually originates in fatty tissues with lots of energy nearby.
At this point, by experience and by science, I don’t think IF is the best diet protocol if you have the discipline for a more continuous protocol. I don’t, so I can’t say I’ve tried that, and I hate the fat on my body, so I’m not sure where to go from here. I’m not 100% convinced either way, but I wanted to give a balancing perspective.
[+] [-] efiecho|6 years ago|reply
However, for the first seven months of 2019 I tried to do 48-72 hour fasts three times every week, but I just couldn't adapt to that. It's nice with the euphoria effect, but in the long run I found it depressing going to sleep without eating and it had a very negative effect on my life quality.
Now I'm back at eating a single meal every day and feel great.
[+] [-] roystonvassey|6 years ago|reply
A good time and place to plug results of the IF experiment I did a few years back. FWIW, I have been on a no-breakfast, no-lunch protocol, on weekdays since then and I absolutely love it because it keeps me sharp through the day (no post-glucose “dullness”).
[+] [-] torgian|6 years ago|reply
I would actually like to try to fast for 24 hours, starting after an evening meal.
My problem is I do a lot of cycling. If I don’t eat, I bonk hard and lose energy. So, I would need to time this after a day of resting after a ride.
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[+] [-] troydavis|6 years ago|reply
* “System-wide Benefits of Intermeal Fasting by Autophagy“: https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolism/pdf/S1550-4131(17)30608...
> We established an isocaloric twice-a-day (ITAD) feeding model wherein ITAD-fed mice consume the same food amount as ad libitum controls but at two short windows early and late in the diurnal cycle. We hypothesized that ITAD feeding will provide two intervals of intermeal fasting per circadian period and induce autophagy. We show that ITAD feeding modifies circadian autophagy and glucose/lipid metabolism that correlate with feeding-driven changes in circulating insulin. ITAD feeding decreases adiposity and, unlike CR, enhances muscle mass. ITAD feeding drives energy expenditure, lowers lipid levels, suppresses gluconeogenesis, and prevents age/obesity-associated metabolic defects. Using liver-, adipose-, myogenic-, and proopiomelanocortin neuron-specific autophagy-null mice, we mapped the contribution of tissue-specific autophagy to system-wide benefits of ITAD feeding. Our studies suggest that consuming two meals a day without CR could prevent the metabolic syndrome.
* “Short-term fasting induces profound neuronal autophagy“: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/
> We first validate the approach by showing that it allows the identification and characterization of autophagosomes in the livers of food-restricted mice. We use the method to identify constitutive autophagosomes in cortical neurons and Purkinje cells, and we show that short-term fasting leads to a dramatic upregulation in neuronal autophagy.
> …
> Our data lead us to speculate that sporadic fasting might represent a simple, safe and inexpensive means to promote this potentially therapeutic neuronal response.
[+] [-] laplacesdemon48|6 years ago|reply
I’m interested in intermittent fasting but I’d like to objectively track the effects beyond fat/weight loss. For example: ketone body blood concentration, respiratory exchange ratio, heart rate variability, etc.
I couldn’t find anything here but maybe I’m not looking in the right place: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=intermittent+fas...
[+] [-] yellow_lead|6 years ago|reply
Would be great to have some new therapies for these terrible diseases.
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[+] [-] mark_l_watson|6 years ago|reply
By starting slowly, and by eating plenty of food during the eating periods, it is fairly easy to maintain energy during fasting.
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