[hos234]

Doesn't the pie chart show to make others laugh, to protect others feelings, to maintain social norms, for economic/personal advantage (usually benefits family), to escape harm (again usually benefits your family when you don't get yourself killed while dealing with evil) etc

Both honesty and lying are tools. You choose how you use them. Whether to benefit others or to take advantage of others is a choice you make.

But there will be situations where the tool of honesty wont work, and if you walk into those situations having convinced yourself that lying isn't a tool available, then people who don't think that way will be better prepared than you to handle those situations.

Basically be aware where lies can be used. Don't just dismiss it totally as only useable for evil.

During Hitler's rise people like to point at the Honest folk who stood up against him like Carl Goerdeler, Dietrich Bonhoeffer. But there were people like Wilhelm Canaris who lied day in day out and did all kinds of damage and saved a whole lot of lives.

[kerkeslager]

> Doesn't the pie chart show to make others laugh,

I'd question whether this actually is lying. Lying implies intent to deceive. For a scientific study, it makes sense to include this in the data, but I'm not sure it counts as lying. I'm not sure a priest, rabbi, and imam have ever walked into a bar together, but I'm pretty sure nobody is worried about whether it's true when I say they did.

> to protect others feelings,

As I've pointed out elsewhere, I don't think this actually helps the person being lied to in the long run.

> to maintain social norms,

Is there even an argument that this benefits the person being lied to?

> for economic/personal advantage (usually benefits family),

Doesn't benefit the person being lied to.

> to escape harm (again usually benefits your family when you don't get yourself killed while dealing with evil) etc

Again doesn't benefit the person being lied to. It's also a bit of a stretch to extrapolate "avoidance" from the chart to what you're saying, and I'd argue that the situations where you're lying to evil that might kill you are pretty unusual. I'd absolutely have no qualms lying to Nazis during the Third Reich, but that's not a fact which has any bearing on my life right now.