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ivl | 6 years ago

Just so we're clear here: the results are on paper. This app was meant to simply coalesces the results to have them in faster.

And some security testing and analysis also wouldn't have prevented this problem, unless it was done at huge scale.

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eschulz|6 years ago

True, the results are on paper and presumably will be accurately counted eventually. The concern is that this fiasco was meant to occur if the DNC felt that Sanders was going to win in a landslide. Some believe this was done on purpose to rob him of any momentum this morning, and to allow for other candidates (read: actual members of the Democratic Party) to claim some sort of success as the news cycle moves forward to tonight's State of the Union, tomorrow's Senate vote, and then the NH primary.

ivl|6 years ago

The DNC doesn't run the individual state primaries.

hector_vasquez|6 years ago

There is a compelling case to be made that manipulating the reporting of results (rather than the results themselves) would be more in line with your goals of public perception and deniability.

jayess|6 years ago

One wonders if they were auditing the numbers of actual registered voters vs those actually voting and came up with numbers that were wonky.

https://twitter.com/JTHVerhovek/status/1224550235881517056?s...

So who is now in possession of the paper records and how easy would it be to manipulate those records?

throwaway5752|6 years ago

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1224697730058063872 you are amplifying conspiracy theories, whether you know it or not.

Anyone that's worked on a system with distributed state knows data consistency can be hard, particular in situations where the system comes under load and latencies begin to increase.

You're not specifically complaining about it, but I think it's interesting that they are being criticized for not being transparent, and then being criticized based on that transparency when they are.

This isn't without precedent, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_United_States_presidentia... (or https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/04/iowa-seco... for more narrative). Just 8 years ago in the Republican caucus in Iowa they changed the announced winner more than two weeks afterward.

sct202|6 years ago

People having been posting the paper caucus records left and right on Twitter and elsewhere. I wouldn't be surprised at this point the internet mob could count the results if someone tried to organize it.

Edit: Apparently all those paper sheets also have PIN numbers to log into the app, so that probably is a contributing issue.