[vraivroo]

> Start out on AWS/GCP/Azure in the initial phase when you want to optimize for velocity in terms of pushing out new functionality and services.

Have you ever done this? It's exorbitantly hard to migrate off of a cloud provider, and few ever do.

[LysPJ]

I agree that migrating off a cloud provider can be very hard. However, architecting your system with portability in mind can help a lot, as rumanator points out:

> I think building somewhat cloud-agnostic to ease friction of provider migration is good

Of course, that's not always an option if the system is already built, but it's definitely a good approach.

[aiisjustanif]

I have and It’s only hard if things aren’t dockerized imo. If everything is in something like cloud foundry it will be much harder.

If you don’t have heavy AD and policies in place even better.

[rumanator]

+1 on containerization, and I would add that controlling your container orchestration service (particularly ingress and security) is another key factor. Whether someone uses Docker Swarm or Kubernetes, this setup enables anyone to redeploy their entire applications at a blink of an eye, regardless of which cloud service provider you use.

[vraivroo]

If your entire infra is dockerized, you are in the vast minority and should probably be discarded as an outlier.