[throwaway_tech]

>excess protein is not converted to fat via GNG, but is used for protein synthesis, and increases lean body mass.

>In conclusion, after a high-protein diet, GNG was increased... https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-n...

[uberduper]

Just reading the abstract makes it pretty obvious.

> "A total of twenty-two healthy subjects (ten men and twelve women: age 23 (sem 1) years, BMI 22·1 (sem 0·5) kg/m2) received an isoenergetic high-protein (30/0/70 % of energy from protein/carbohydrate/fat) or normal-protein diet (12/55/33 % of energy from protein/carbohydrate/fat) for 1·5 d in a randomised cross-over design"

It wasn't the increase in protein that stimulated GNG. It was the reduction of carbs. Without sufficient dietary carbohydrate, the body must maintain minimum glucose levels via GNG.

[teilo]

GNG increases when in ketosis, but is still capped because ketones regulate the GNG process. That is the effect which was observed here. It says it right there in the synopsis:

"Glucose concentration was lower (4·09 (sem 0·10) v. 4·89 (sem 0·06) mmol/l, P < 0·001) and β-hydroxybutyrate concentration was higher (1349 (sem 139) v. 234 (sem 25) μmol/l, P < 0·001) after the high-protein compared with the normal-protein diet."

β-hydroxybutyrate is a ketone body.

Note that this contradicts your statements that GNG will kick you out of ketosis. It absolutely will not.

To repeat: GNG is constant, regulated by ketones, and its relative level is not driven by protein demand, but by glucose depletion.

[throwaway_tech]

>Note that this contradicts your statements that GNG will kick you out of ketosis. It absolutely will not.

Its really simple, eat nothing but chicken and/or turkey (high protein, low fat, no carb). You will not become keto adapted or fat adapted.

Alternatively enter into nutritional (dietary) ketosis with a high fat diet, then switch to chicken and/or turkey only (high protein, low fat, no carb) you will not remain in ketosis.

Do you disagree with that? Have you seen any study that shows fat/protein ratios are immaterial to nutritional ketosis?