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"…encourage your users to enter stronger passwords."

81 points| wlll | 15 years ago |nakedpassword.com | reply

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[+] giberson|15 years ago|reply
Personally I love it, however I will never ever be able to employ it on our company website.

However, the concept of incentivizing the password entry field has inspired me. Instead of something risqué like nudity, how about offering a coupon off your first order (works for a commerce or service based site). Ie, as they type, gradually increase a % from 1 to 5 (or higher, what ever you're willing to offer).

IE, a progression like:

  |asdf      | 
  |asdf12    | %1 off first order coupon
  |asdf12KL  | %2 off first order coupon
  |asdf12KL.!| %5 off first order coupon
[+] tsycho|15 years ago|reply
That's a very smart idea. Even if you cannot give discounts, maybe you can give out free support, extra services (eg: extra storage for a Dropbox like service).
[+] pavel_lishin|15 years ago|reply
And when your database is out in the wild, it'll let crackers know exactly which passwords to go after first, and which ones not to bother with!
[+] T-hawk|15 years ago|reply
In addition to the business cost of giving away discounts, are you accounting for the business cost of increased support incidents for forgotten passwords?

(Good idea though)

[+] knowtheory|15 years ago|reply
clothed to naked with just "1!aAA" :|

What is with HN recently? I just do not understand why the uber-creep factor is out in force.

Even if the image set is replaceable and you dont' have to use a naked lady, that is the default demo, and the stated objective of the site is Strong Password == Naked Lady.

Aside from the blatant sexist targeting, this is trying to take advantage of entirely the wrong impulse. Associating a strong password with the human drive for porn doesn't actually encourage any better understanding of strong passwords or why they should be used.

If this were to be something like 'pwnyourpassword', and demonstrate how easy it'd be to crack your password w/ a dictionary attack, then this wouldn't be either as exploitative or crass.

Instead, the mechanism is, lets distribute pixel art of naked ladies to incentivize instead of teaching/demonstrating.

Yeah, that's the society i want to live in. :|

[+] BoppreH|15 years ago|reply
"password" -> "This password would take 0.1 seconds to crack"

"betterpassword" -> "This password would take 15 seconds to crack"

"S89&;al(l_2z0Z¨" -> "This password would take 56 years to crack"

Security by fear?

[+] drdaeman|15 years ago|reply
Tthey do not measure entropy (very good point about measuring entropy here: http://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/868/calculatin...), but just check that password conforms to several simple rules.

So, yes, "2tcUKstR" (which I've just generated with `openssl rand -base64 6`) is considered less secure than "Aa1!!".

Well, the good thing that they're just suggesting about password's quality, not enforcing it. It really pissed me off when one site declined to accept password and said it was "insecure" just because I was using base64, and (by chance) password did not contain any non-alphanumeric characters. I've also seen another site which rejected "/" in passwords, insisting on /^[A-Za-z0-9]$/ only.

[+] petercooper|15 years ago|reply
Instead, the mechanism is, lets distribute pixel art of naked ladies to incentivize instead of teaching/demonstrating.

Do you take offense at the fake "flies" they stick into urinals to focus men's attention?

I suspect the "naked lady" (which looks nothing like the real deal - I know, I have a kid) isn't so much the point here as the ability of a changing graphic to play the role of the aforementioned fly. I prefer the "discounts" idea raised elsewhere in the thread though.. a discount's more use to me than a heavily pixellated "babe" ;-)

[+] ryandvm|15 years ago|reply
> clothed to naked with just "1!aAA"

72 ^ 5 = 1,934,917,632

Good luck brute-forcing that. 5 characters is plenty secure.

[+] there|15 years ago|reply
What is with HN recently? I just do not understand why the uber-creep factor is out in force.

and yet:

clothed to naked with just "1!aAA" :|

so you clearly spent some time trying to get it to display the naked lady even after you knew what it was. creep.

[+] gmac|15 years ago|reply
A sense of humour bypass alert applies to these comments:

I'm afraid I found this a bit confusing -- my initial thought was that more nakedness might be associated with vulnerability/exposure, and therefore indicate password weakness.

And aside from any sexism, making strong passwords NSFW might not have the desired effect.

[+] aba_sababa|15 years ago|reply
This is cute, but personally, I've never been a fan of password character requirements. Laissez-faire, and all that...the Internet has no business telling me how to secure my profiles!
[+] city41|15 years ago|reply
I agree, and I really hate it when sites require specific formats for passwords. However this is just a password strength meter (even if it's a poor one) and not forcing anything on the user.
[+] jimmyk|15 years ago|reply
Well, some websites do have some business telling you your password isn't secure enough. If someone cracks your bank password, the bank is liable for the money lost.
[+] michaelcgorman|15 years ago|reply
Handling of special characters could use some improvement. For instance, "Hello" (no quotes) has her in her underwear, but with "<H;>/", she still has pants on. That said, this site is more about the presentation than the algorithmic implementation; I'm sure someone will fork her on GitHub and teach her to keep her clothes on longer.
[+] alanh|15 years ago|reply
Strength algorithm could use a bit of work, considering pixelbabe took her shirt off for the password “password”.
[+] CodeMage|15 years ago|reply
Why write all that when you can get the shirt off with just "1", or any single digit ;)
[+] bittermang|15 years ago|reply
There's a pun in here somewhere about pixelbabe being easy, but I'm going to leave it alone.
[+] rmc|15 years ago|reply
It assumes all your users want to see naked ladies.
[+] petercooper|15 years ago|reply
Yeah, I'd much rather it revealed progressively more of an interesting algorithm implemented in C.
[+] teuobk|15 years ago|reply
While it seems like there could be some issues with this in a (particularly conservative) workplace, I think the concept is great: give users some incentive to practice safe passwording.
[+] biot|15 years ago|reply
Aa2,; appears to be the shortest that gets the full monty.
[+] pluies|15 years ago|reply
That's probably one of the best comments to demonstrate the "engineer spirit": no quabble about the sexism claims, the quality of the pixel art, or if it's a good way to make people pick good passwords... Mere optimization.
[+] djhomeless|15 years ago|reply
Will the password nazis please go home?

Sure, your shell account, bank website, ebay/amazon password should be very secure, secure to the point of not needing to be prompted, but does every site on the net, ie your blog, twitter, etc, need to have a min of 8 characters w/at least one number and one capital?

Oh, agree with everyone here on the creepiness factor here...

[+] drdaeman|15 years ago|reply
I've seen many of users typing their birth year, their first name or just "123qwe" as their password. Way too many I'd ever expected.

I really doubt they understood the possible consequences. Restricting is inacceptable, but warning against using seemingly-insecure password should be perfectly fine.

[+] drdaeman|15 years ago|reply
GPL licensing would scare away many users, because "linking" gets really weird on the web.
[+] tzs|15 years ago|reply
The source files say they are dual licensed under MIT and GPLv2.
[+] bryanlarsen|15 years ago|reply
This site illustrates one of my pet peeves with "password strength" meters: punctuation doesn't increase your score. Mixed case does, numbers do, but punctuation doesn't.

Correction: some punctuation does, but most don't.

[+] 51Cards|15 years ago|reply
"Oh yes, I always use at least third base passwords"
[+] rubyskills|15 years ago|reply
An option to select your gender should def. be included :)
[+] jwcacces|15 years ago|reply
Her lips look like a mustache