[uk_programmer]

As I said previously it is a matter of principle. UBI takes from those willing to work and gives to those that are unwilling. I am not talking about people that are unable to work.

I don't care if someone or some studies say that it works out cheaper or it maybe nicer. It is simply not ethical. However I am someone that given the choice between Monarchy and Democracy, Monarchy is the better choice.

[teekert]

You could also see unwillingness to work as a disease, like some countries do with drug abuse. Assign a coach, see what's wrong. Sure, being jobless doesn't have to be a pony camp but to have a miserable, debt building life without a paid job is certainly unnecessary at our current level of civilization (but perhaps not in our current economy/political system).

[uk_programmer]

I don't see it that way though. I have many relatives that are government scroungers. Some of them are criminals. These people just don't want to work and will do anything they can to not work. No amount of coaching will help them. They spend their time getting drunk and high (usually around their own children) which will produce another generation that think it is okay to be scroungers.

I understand these people very well (I grew up with them). I find that those that advocate for these types of programs that you refer to, to be very naive or willingly ignorant.

[Gibbon1]

> UBI takes from those willing to work and gives to those that are unwilling.

When I read stuff like this I think of the couple of thousand a year I pay in taxes that gets handed over to defense contractors in return for nothing of value.

[uk_programmer]

That is wrong as well. Just because huge amounts of money is spent somewhere else, it suddenly doesn't make it okay to give money away to those that are unwilling to work. In short: two wrongs don't make a right.