In organizations I've known this as the "Dead Sea Effect", where good/talented employees leave the company because they don't want to work with bad/mediocre employees, and all you have left is the bad/mediocre.
I've also seen this effect take a form where good employees will recognize what is happening and rock the boat, trying to make it clear that there's something wrong and that something should be done about it. Mediocre managers and employees don't like this and eventually the good employee gets fired. The lazy and mediocre then run the show; as long as that paycheck keeps coming in, who cares if we are doing a good job or not?
No employee is simply talented or mediocre or bad. Everyone you meet has strengths and weaknesses. Some people's strengths aren't in demand every day, but crucial when called upon. Others have weaknesses which rarely appear, but are terribly damaging when they do.
And everyone is drawn to the company of others in the workplace based primarily on interpersonal factors, not others' ability or performance or lack thereof.
Certainly, there are toxic personalities which can poison an environment, but they generally have some valuable assets as well.
Deciding to leave an organization because of its people is never a simple calculation.
Another way to get this is to have high standards, but poor ability to track performance. Then you get more cheaters than honest folks as fewer are able to actually meet the standards.
Imagine, for example, job ads that require 50 years of Java experience from employers who are too clueless to verify such things. Or grading on a curve with a teacher who uses the exact same tests every year. When some people have tests & answers, everyone who doesn't will end up with lower grades.
I've seen it, too. Worse yet is when it's the kind of company that doesn't allow mediocre employees to improve. They're just given more work, crazier deadlines, less input, and no opportunities for advancement. Not only does this hinder the company, but it harms employees who stay too long at these companies. But the companies don't care because, by the time the good employees have left, they've made their money and enough wheels are in motion that the cash cow will continue to produce in the face of mediocrity.
One of the great insights told to me was that popular people in high school are popular because they spend all their time being popular, to the detriment of their future.
Likewise, crappy people and managers in organizations have one full time job: surviving and defending their positions in the organization, and only performing their jobs enough to survive.
We can adapt the Gresham’s Law for Software Development:
Project [A] is built within "x" months with lot of tech debt, crunch time and stressed out employees
Project [B] is built within "x+y" months with sane architecture and healthy working hours
If management doesn't understand the benefits of good architecture and employee well being, [A] will become the baseline against which all future projects get measured.
The software system gets messier and messier => resulting in more bugs => resulting in working weekends and late nights => employees make poor decisions because of mental fatigue => resulting in more bugs => ...
I think you're dead right but it goes even deeper. With more bugs the company starts evaluating devs on their ability to fix bugs and put out fires. Eventually the devs who can build a sane product are squeezed out and all the devs are good at is fixing bugs rather than introducing fewer bugs in the first place.
I noticed this when working as a dev in the finance industry. The devs who put out the most fires got the biggest bonuses and float to the top so they have a say in hiring and hire more people like themselves. A textbook case of Gresham's Law.
that's one way to look at it, but it's rarely this clear cut. usually the system is initially built from P1+P2+P3+...PN that are wired together in a somewhat sane manner and do the job.
enter joe, that thinks P2 is over-engineered and thinks he can do a a better job without understanding why P2 is the way it is or why it was even built like this.
joe proceeds to replace P2 with P2'+P2a+P2b that kind-of get the job done but make the system a little bit more complicated. Joe gets a promotion for being a doer and improving "complicated shit".
Now, imagine armies of Joes picking up the least complicated part of the system and making their contribution. The initially sane and straightforward components get replaced with increasingly more complicated ones.
In the end, everything is so complex that no progress can be made.
Technical debt, risk, maintainability, and long-term resilience are all elements that don't get fully accounted for.
This joins a few related concepts: "manifestation" (or: cognizability, perceptibility, tangibility), risk (effectively a measure of probabalistic fiture cost), and resilience, which often contrasts strongly with efficiency.
Sociologist Robert K. Merton pioneered many. of the concepts around manifest vs. covert functions, usually of social institutions or behaviours.
> Suppose buyers cannot distinguish between a high-quality car (a "peach") and a "lemon". Then they are only willing to pay a fixed price for a car that averages the value of a "peach" and "lemon" together (p_avg). But sellers know whether they hold a peach or a lemon. Given the fixed price at which buyers will buy, sellers will sell only when they hold "lemons" (since p_lemon < p_avg) and they will leave the market when they hold "peaches" (since p_peach > p_avg). Eventually, as enough sellers of "peaches" leave the market, the average willingness-to-pay of buyers will decrease (since the average quality of cars on the market decreased), leading to even more sellers of high-quality cars to leave the market through a positive feedback loop.
> Thus the uninformed buyer's price creates an adverse selection problem that drives the high-quality cars from the market. Adverse selection is a market mechanism that can lead to a market collapse.
> Adverse selection is a market mechanism that can lead to a market collapse.
if an uninformed buyer buys a lemon, and they don't suffer the consequences (e.g., a lemon works just as well as a peach, 'cept in aesthetics or some other unimportant metric), then it's not collapsing the market at all. It just means that peaches, as judged by sellers, aren't as valuable as they think.
It's like the stock market in this sense - buyers of a stock doesn't "really" know if the stock is a lemon or a peach. Neither does the original owner of the stock of course.
Gresham's Law is frequently misunderstood. It's not accurate to say that "bad" drives out "good" in a literal sense. It's more like "less desirable" driving "more desirable" out of circulation. The "more desirable" is highly valued, not competed out of existence. It's just not in circulation.
In the case of coinage, gold coins are not in circulation. But they are still more valuable than other types of coins. A monetary system usually consists of both "less desirable" money (e.g. paper money) and "more desirable" money (e.g. gold, Bitcoin). I explain the law in the context of Bitcoin and fiat in this article:
I believe there is a reference to this law in the movie “No Country for Old Men”.
The movie was set in 1980. In the famous coin toss scene Anton Chigurh explicitly states that the date on the quarter is 1958 and that it had been traveling for 22 years. That means it was a silver coin. The US Coin Act of 1965 changed the make up of coins from 90% silver to cladded nickel and zinc. The old silver coins very quickly disappeared from circulation. Any remaining ones were snatched up especially when the price of silver skyrocketed when the Hunt Brothers in Texas tried to corner the silver market in 1980, right in the time period when the movie was set.
So basically Chigurh had no business having a 1958 silver quarter in his pocket.
I think Cormac McCarthy was implicitly showing Chigurh was a dispassionate force of evil driving out the good.
Same principle drives the amplification of inequality in society. People and companies try to protect their incomes so they lobby or game the system, competing against each other to gain the upper hand. As a consequence they directly harm the common good, which would be a thriving economy. It's a gradual process of accumulation of inflexibility which can become its own downfall.
Let's not forget the opposite extreme though (USSR). If you try to regulate inequality away by redesigning your entire government, what ends up happening is that everyone is equally poor except the elite corrupt government officials
You might appreciater "Resistances to the Adoption of Technological Innovations', by Bernhard J. Stern (1937), which asseses just this dynamic in depth:
Thank you, that was a great read. Did not know about Gresham's Law.
I wish the author would have included some examples in which Gresham's Law is violated. It seems related to "Thiers' Law" (which is described on the Gresham's Law Wikipedia page [0]).
It also seems as if Gresham's Law contains a statement of the dynamics that drive good coins out of circulation that make it a very special kind of race to the bottom. For example, in the excerpt from the Mackenzie King letter, the application to industrial standards seems to reflect a somewhat different dynamic.
Cases in which a better, or often simply more expensive good dominates over less expensive ones, does occur. See generally Veblen goods.
In almost all cases, the good itself is a signalling. mechanism for a yet-more complex construct, almost always related to identity, status, and/or power.
The expensive good serves as a more readily apprehended or perceived marker for the less clearly discernable status. Price may itself be part of the signalling, or costs. might be in the form of complex and arcane acquisition of knowledge: language, accent, slang, religious tradition & rituals, dress, table manners, food, culinary knowledge, wine, sports knowledge, programming languages, technical tools or skills, cultural or musical knowledge, management practices, academic arcana, ideological dogma, etc.
Almost any domain which might be considered fad-driven. or fad-like, very possibly has an element of this signalling associated with it.
Gresham's Law tends to no longer hold when the difference between good and bad is qualitative rather than quantitative, and when there are more than one degree of separation between the two.
Joe's Websearch can be cheaper than Google but is much crappier, parasitic mobile games are profitable but doomed to mayfly longevity, etc.
It's interesting, I've noted that bad products tend to drive out good products. This happens with all sorts of products: food, software, etc. A lot of the time, the products are even from the same company: they come out with a good product, the market laps it up; and then begins a process of degradation as they make the product worse for no discernible reason.
Case in point, I can't count how many times I've been to a grocery shop looking for a packaged food product I've come to really like, only to find that it is no longer stocked, or that it has been replaced by an objectively inferior product. This seems to rarely happen with mediocre items
Cool i didn't know this had a name. In a way, its obvious once you are sufficiently cynical - in any system or long-term game, the most common strategy will be the one that wins often. From an evolutionary standpoint an advantage is an advantage, morality has nothing to do with it. The reason morality does matter is that over a long enough time frame, bad behavior becomes clear, good behavior breeds trust but that requires you play a long enough game with a stable set of people.
While it is a competitive advantage inside the system (team, company, country, political system), it decreases the competitiveness of the system as a whole in relation to other systems. For instance the more a company is like this the less actually valuable results it can show (since there is less and less to steal from actual value producers), the more it needs to spend its resources on also fighting off external competitors like other companies who still create results, managing bad press, and stopping customers from leaving to better providers.
It's very much like a parasite-host relationship. Sure in the 1:1 relationship the parasite might keep the upper hand and live longer, but in the end both are dying to make place for another organism.
For the world as a whole it's also not a bad thing. The world changes and new problems need new systems to deal with. But the new systems cannot prosper if old systems are efficient enough to defend their place.
This is one of those problems that seems to require a centralized and somehow morally superior source of decision making. Which is to say: it's the anti-thesis of decentralization or equality; the benevolent dictator so to speak.
>Forms of human behavior survive because they have a competitive edge against other behaviors. Self-interested groups naturally tend towards what works, so bad drives out good (in a moral sense) if it causes superior practical effects. This is one large reason why forms of regulation and policing are needed in human systems, to prevent the Law from working its magic.
I don't think that a requirement for regulation and policing follows from that. Regulation and policing can also be caught by these bad practices. Regulatory capture is an example of that.
In my opinion, this suggests instead that we need irregular resets to the system. Wipe the slate clean and start building it up again. That does come with enormous cost, but it seems to me like it's the only way to truly stand against constant degradation without finding a way to counter the degradation.
If you look at human history, that what tends to happen. Empires rise, go through a golden age, fall, and are overtaken by newer empires built on the carcasses of old ones.
I think mandatory attendance in grade school is a regulation that is interesting to consider in the context of Gresham's law.
Is attendance mandatory so that the disruptive (bad) students don't drive out the good ones from attending, or does mandatory attendance create a situation that favors the bad student (by forcing them to attend) at an expense to the good student, who would have attended otherwise?
Nice read, very revealing and eye-opening to me personally. I think this law applies to jobs too. If your superior never calls-out lying narcissistic behavior, and you do not posses such "skills" you will be driven out.
And avoid industries where customer do not care if final product is made from crap or gold.
"In fact, one might call Gresham’s Law something of a special case of natural selection itself.
Forms of human behavior survive because they have a competitive edge against other behaviors. Self-interested groups naturally tend towards what works, so bad drives out good (in a moral sense) if it causes superior practical effects."
Except we have morals. So no this is a really poor example.
If anything our morals are what's holding up back. a 100,000 year old concept that works well in a village where you live day by day but has little use in the modern world where we can use numbers to tell us the best course of action.
Define “we”. Pick any group of 500, actual practiced morals will vary widely in that group.
Apathy with respect to morals is a big problem, it’s letting moral lapses slide from convenience that allows much degradation to occur. And the “righteous” that would point out lapses are often at least viewed as cranks, unless they have a deft touch.
I’ve felt for a long time that the political system works this way as well. Speaking strictly from a non-partisan standpoint, there’s a strong case to be made that this perception exists widely in American society.
It’s why Trump’s “drain the swamp” messaging worked so well in 2016, it’s why things like gerrymandering exist, and it’s why we continue to see record amounts of money, much of it of unknown origin, proliferate and direct political discourse and messaging.
You and Aristophanes, in The Frogs, 405 BCE, as noted and cited in the article.
There's also H.L. Mencken's "Brayard vs. Lionheart", 1920 CE:
[W]hen a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental—men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack, or count himself lost. His one aim is to disarm suspicion, to arouse confidence in his orthodoxy, to avoid challenge. If he is a man of convictions, of enthusiasm, of self-respect, it is cruelly hard.
This seems like an attempt to justify iron-fist regulation. “For our own good”, of course.
It seems like a fallacy, this law. The bad is only able to survive at the expense of the system. Meanwhile, the good that was driven out is busy making its own new system.
There's a pretty fascinating list of results in Google Books for "a Gresham's Law of" or "a sort of Gresham's Law", dating to the 19th century, suggesting at the very least an ideologically broad, if not agnostic, application of the concept:
One of my favorite essays on this topic is “Meditations on Moloch”[0]. Does a great job of introducing the topic and pricing a lot of compelling examples, all while tying it in to Alan Ginsberg’s famous poem.
Meh. If you have two coins that are nominally worth the same but one is actually worth more - because it can, in a pinch, be melted down for a valuable resource - I wouldn't call this the bad driving out the good.
Of course the point that bad behavior may give a higher fitness score is still true.
I also like the idea of lemon market's in this context:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons
In short and very simplified: if the customer cannot tell the good products from the bad products he will not pay the price of the good products and so the good products disappear.
[+] [-] TwoNineFive|6 years ago|reply
I've also seen this effect take a form where good employees will recognize what is happening and rock the boat, trying to make it clear that there's something wrong and that something should be done about it. Mediocre managers and employees don't like this and eventually the good employee gets fired. The lazy and mediocre then run the show; as long as that paycheck keeps coming in, who cares if we are doing a good job or not?
[+] [-] networkimprov|6 years ago|reply
And everyone is drawn to the company of others in the workplace based primarily on interpersonal factors, not others' ability or performance or lack thereof.
Certainly, there are toxic personalities which can poison an environment, but they generally have some valuable assets as well.
Deciding to leave an organization because of its people is never a simple calculation.
[+] [-] Natsu|6 years ago|reply
Imagine, for example, job ads that require 50 years of Java experience from employers who are too clueless to verify such things. Or grading on a curve with a teacher who uses the exact same tests every year. When some people have tests & answers, everyone who doesn't will end up with lower grades.
[+] [-] ravenstine|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] dredmorbius|6 years ago|reply
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_capital_flight
http://en.cnki.com.cn/Article_en/CJFDTotal-KJQB200807051.htm
Somewhat embarrassingly, among the highest-ranked DDG results is one of my own essays:
https://old.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/69txj8/william...
[+] [-] AtlasBarfed|6 years ago|reply
Likewise, crappy people and managers in organizations have one full time job: surviving and defending their positions in the organization, and only performing their jobs enough to survive.
[+] [-] lkrubner|6 years ago|reply
https://www.amazon.com/Destroy-Tech-Startup-Easy-Steps/dp/09...
[+] [-] Balgair|6 years ago|reply
https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...
Additionally, the 'Evaporative Effect'.
I'm not sure which of these many terms is the most 'punchy' though, but I agree that a common vocabulary is needed.
[+] [-] wirrbel|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] rkwz|6 years ago|reply
Project [A] is built within "x" months with lot of tech debt, crunch time and stressed out employees
Project [B] is built within "x+y" months with sane architecture and healthy working hours
If management doesn't understand the benefits of good architecture and employee well being, [A] will become the baseline against which all future projects get measured.
The software system gets messier and messier => resulting in more bugs => resulting in working weekends and late nights => employees make poor decisions because of mental fatigue => resulting in more bugs => ...
[+] [-] wdutch|6 years ago|reply
I noticed this when working as a dev in the finance industry. The devs who put out the most fires got the biggest bonuses and float to the top so they have a say in hiring and hire more people like themselves. A textbook case of Gresham's Law.
[+] [-] rantwasp|6 years ago|reply
enter joe, that thinks P2 is over-engineered and thinks he can do a a better job without understanding why P2 is the way it is or why it was even built like this.
joe proceeds to replace P2 with P2'+P2a+P2b that kind-of get the job done but make the system a little bit more complicated. Joe gets a promotion for being a doer and improving "complicated shit".
Now, imagine armies of Joes picking up the least complicated part of the system and making their contribution. The initially sane and straightforward components get replaced with increasingly more complicated ones.
In the end, everything is so complex that no progress can be made.
[+] [-] dredmorbius|6 years ago|reply
This joins a few related concepts: "manifestation" (or: cognizability, perceptibility, tangibility), risk (effectively a measure of probabalistic fiture cost), and resilience, which often contrasts strongly with efficiency.
Sociologist Robert K. Merton pioneered many. of the concepts around manifest vs. covert functions, usually of social institutions or behaviours.
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[+] [-] shoo|6 years ago|reply
> Suppose buyers cannot distinguish between a high-quality car (a "peach") and a "lemon". Then they are only willing to pay a fixed price for a car that averages the value of a "peach" and "lemon" together (p_avg). But sellers know whether they hold a peach or a lemon. Given the fixed price at which buyers will buy, sellers will sell only when they hold "lemons" (since p_lemon < p_avg) and they will leave the market when they hold "peaches" (since p_peach > p_avg). Eventually, as enough sellers of "peaches" leave the market, the average willingness-to-pay of buyers will decrease (since the average quality of cars on the market decreased), leading to even more sellers of high-quality cars to leave the market through a positive feedback loop.
> Thus the uninformed buyer's price creates an adverse selection problem that drives the high-quality cars from the market. Adverse selection is a market mechanism that can lead to a market collapse.
[+] [-] chii|6 years ago|reply
if an uninformed buyer buys a lemon, and they don't suffer the consequences (e.g., a lemon works just as well as a peach, 'cept in aesthetics or some other unimportant metric), then it's not collapsing the market at all. It just means that peaches, as judged by sellers, aren't as valuable as they think.
It's like the stock market in this sense - buyers of a stock doesn't "really" know if the stock is a lemon or a peach. Neither does the original owner of the stock of course.
[+] [-] double0jimb0|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] dredmorbius|6 years ago|reply
There are other cases where uncertainty my be general amongst both or all actors, rather than asymmetric as Akerlof discusses.
[+] [-] _7fvc|6 years ago|reply
In the case of coinage, gold coins are not in circulation. But they are still more valuable than other types of coins. A monetary system usually consists of both "less desirable" money (e.g. paper money) and "more desirable" money (e.g. gold, Bitcoin). I explain the law in the context of Bitcoin and fiat in this article:
https://bitflate.org/post/2019/11/24/bitcoin-will-not-be-a-m...
If we have a system where "bad" drives "good" out of existence (not circulation), then the system will surely have problems.
[+] [-] xefer|6 years ago|reply
The movie was set in 1980. In the famous coin toss scene Anton Chigurh explicitly states that the date on the quarter is 1958 and that it had been traveling for 22 years. That means it was a silver coin. The US Coin Act of 1965 changed the make up of coins from 90% silver to cladded nickel and zinc. The old silver coins very quickly disappeared from circulation. Any remaining ones were snatched up especially when the price of silver skyrocketed when the Hunt Brothers in Texas tried to corner the silver market in 1980, right in the time period when the movie was set.
So basically Chigurh had no business having a 1958 silver quarter in his pocket.
I think Cormac McCarthy was implicitly showing Chigurh was a dispassionate force of evil driving out the good.
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[+] [-] dredmorbius|6 years ago|reply
https://archive.org/details/technologicaltre1937unitrich/pag...
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[+] [-] AtlasBarfed|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] smitty1e|6 years ago|reply
The truly wretched coins, and the governments that issue them, tend to exit circulation, too.
Perhaps Gresham's Law has some relationship to regression toward the mean =>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean
[+] [-] thaumaturgy|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] zomglings|6 years ago|reply
I wish the author would have included some examples in which Gresham's Law is violated. It seems related to "Thiers' Law" (which is described on the Gresham's Law Wikipedia page [0]).
It also seems as if Gresham's Law contains a statement of the dynamics that drive good coins out of circulation that make it a very special kind of race to the bottom. For example, in the excerpt from the Mackenzie King letter, the application to industrial standards seems to reflect a somewhat different dynamic.
0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham%27s_law#Reverse_of_Gre...
[+] [-] dredmorbius|6 years ago|reply
In almost all cases, the good itself is a signalling. mechanism for a yet-more complex construct, almost always related to identity, status, and/or power.
The expensive good serves as a more readily apprehended or perceived marker for the less clearly discernable status. Price may itself be part of the signalling, or costs. might be in the form of complex and arcane acquisition of knowledge: language, accent, slang, religious tradition & rituals, dress, table manners, food, culinary knowledge, wine, sports knowledge, programming languages, technical tools or skills, cultural or musical knowledge, management practices, academic arcana, ideological dogma, etc.
Almost any domain which might be considered fad-driven. or fad-like, very possibly has an element of this signalling associated with it.
[+] [-] invalidOrTaken|6 years ago|reply
Joe's Websearch can be cheaper than Google but is much crappier, parasitic mobile games are profitable but doomed to mayfly longevity, etc.
[+] [-] prmph|6 years ago|reply
Case in point, I can't count how many times I've been to a grocery shop looking for a packaged food product I've come to really like, only to find that it is no longer stocked, or that it has been replaced by an objectively inferior product. This seems to rarely happen with mediocre items
[+] [-] RobertoG|6 years ago|reply
Well, they don't make the product worst on purpose, they make it cheaper to produce, in the hope that people keep buying it at the same price.
The metric to optimize is not "quality of product" but "profit".
Basic capitalism.
[+] [-] zaptheimpaler|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] nednar|6 years ago|reply
It's very much like a parasite-host relationship. Sure in the 1:1 relationship the parasite might keep the upper hand and live longer, but in the end both are dying to make place for another organism.
For the world as a whole it's also not a bad thing. The world changes and new problems need new systems to deal with. But the new systems cannot prosper if old systems are efficient enough to defend their place.
[+] [-] seph-reed|6 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] Mirioron|6 years ago|reply
I don't think that a requirement for regulation and policing follows from that. Regulation and policing can also be caught by these bad practices. Regulatory capture is an example of that.
In my opinion, this suggests instead that we need irregular resets to the system. Wipe the slate clean and start building it up again. That does come with enormous cost, but it seems to me like it's the only way to truly stand against constant degradation without finding a way to counter the degradation.
[+] [-] magicsmoke|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] itronitron|6 years ago|reply
Is attendance mandatory so that the disruptive (bad) students don't drive out the good ones from attending, or does mandatory attendance create a situation that favors the bad student (by forcing them to attend) at an expense to the good student, who would have attended otherwise?
[+] [-] fierarul|6 years ago|reply
[+] [-] Giorgi|6 years ago|reply
And avoid industries where customer do not care if final product is made from crap or gold.
[+] [-] aaron695|6 years ago|reply
Forms of human behavior survive because they have a competitive edge against other behaviors. Self-interested groups naturally tend towards what works, so bad drives out good (in a moral sense) if it causes superior practical effects."
Except we have morals. So no this is a really poor example.
If anything our morals are what's holding up back. a 100,000 year old concept that works well in a village where you live day by day but has little use in the modern world where we can use numbers to tell us the best course of action.
[+] [-] dredmorbius|6 years ago|reply
Given two (or more) means to some end, the mean with the fewest constraints, lowest cost, or least complexity, all else equal, tends to succeed.
Interesting case is where least constraints, costs, and complexity are distributed among several alternatives.
[+] [-] quantified|6 years ago|reply
Apathy with respect to morals is a big problem, it’s letting moral lapses slide from convenience that allows much degradation to occur. And the “righteous” that would point out lapses are often at least viewed as cranks, unless they have a deft touch.
[+] [-] save_ferris|6 years ago|reply
It’s why Trump’s “drain the swamp” messaging worked so well in 2016, it’s why things like gerrymandering exist, and it’s why we continue to see record amounts of money, much of it of unknown origin, proliferate and direct political discourse and messaging.
[+] [-] dredmorbius|6 years ago|reply
There's also H.L. Mencken's "Brayard vs. Lionheart", 1920 CE:
[W]hen a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental—men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack, or count himself lost. His one aim is to disarm suspicion, to arouse confidence in his orthodoxy, to avoid challenge. If he is a man of convictions, of enthusiasm, of self-respect, it is cruelly hard.
http://amomai.blogspot.com/2008/10/hl-mencken-bayard-vs-lion...
Other writers have drawn from Jean Piaget's models of intellectual development, and the distribution of such capabilities in the general population.
I strongly recommend reading the full piece. Several times.
[+] [-] GarrisonPrime|6 years ago|reply
It seems like a fallacy, this law. The bad is only able to survive at the expense of the system. Meanwhile, the good that was driven out is busy making its own new system.
[+] [-] dredmorbius|6 years ago|reply
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&ei=RGSeXuWpJozdtAa876-...
[+] [-] mplanchard|6 years ago|reply
[0]: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/
[+] [-] Anonymous4C54D6|6 years ago|reply
Of course the point that bad behavior may give a higher fitness score is still true.
I also like the idea of lemon market's in this context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons In short and very simplified: if the customer cannot tell the good products from the bad products he will not pay the price of the good products and so the good products disappear.