[jplayer01]

You've completely misunderstood his argument.

It's widely accepted and known that fatality rates once you're put on a ventilator (due to Coronavirus) is ridiculously high compared to when you're put on a ventilator for other illnesses (something like 80% vs 20%). It suggests that ventilators might not be the right solution to what's happening to these people. So some doctors have been questioning the wisdom of continuing to use ventilators, and some doctors have been looking to alternative solutions that might have more success and better outcomes. One idea that was floated was CPAP (though I don't know what happened to that).

Nobody here is saying "ah, ventilators aren't working, fuck it, let everybody die". That's offensive to everybody here and a bad faith argument that isn't constructive in any way.

[sandGorgon]

Prone positioning seems to be helping a lot

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/coronavirus-prone-posi...

[newacct583]

The 80% number is from New York. It's not borne out by other regional data. And again, if ventilators don't help someone needs to explain why the death rate in Milan shot through the roof when they ran out of ventilators. We just don't know yet.

As for offense: I apologize again. But the "ventilators don't work" take is getting too much traction among people who do make that argument, and IMHO it needs to be shut down. It's not good science. Not yet. Let the doctors do their work.