I still think this known military plasma laser tech is the highest likelihood of being the explanation:
"Researchers working with high-power laser weapons discovered that they could create a glowing ball of fire in the sky by crossing the beams of two powerful infrared lasers…By moving the laser beams around the sky, the researchers found they could shift the plasma ball back and forth at very high speed…. At night, they demonstrated their skills, flying their glowing creations in formation high above the cold desert."
That's super interesting and I almost want to believe that something like this could be behind the videos, but Fravor described the object as being tictac shaped with a smooth white surface, not a glowing ball of plasma. Also, it doesn't seem like a laser-induced floating ball of plasma would cause the ocean just beneath it to become turbulent and frothy, like the tictac thing did
This is (or something like it) is the most likely scenario based on what we know. I'm amazed at the number of people who fail to apply Occam's Razor in this case, especially when UFO sightings have been used as disinformation in the past.
It is interesting how even relatively simple phonemena can quickly confound when they are being projected (ie. when some information is lost).
Every day objects that find themselves at the right place and time in completely different setting from when they are normally seen, at drastically different scales, they confound our minds because they break patterns our minds are built to recognize.
If you hoped for something else, perhaps this is an opportunity to empathize with those who point phones and cameras at the Sun, get pulsing or flashing, and believe it miracle. Or who point infrared camera zooms at the horizon, and discover the Earth flat.
Before you do a victory lap, realize that those explanations are by a game developer that is going solely off only the information in the videos. People with more information have said it is not those things.
It's probably not aliens. It's probably not a hot air balloon. Be more skeptical. Allow things to be unexplained if no explanation is sufficient. When every video someone links points to the same video, your warning lights should be going off.
The Pentagon and Navy would not have released these as "UFOs" if a game developer watching blurry footage could have told them what they were.
The technology exists, and it is among the toppest of secrets. If you have a head for technical reading, you can have this patent: US20120105181A1. That is a rundown of the mathematics involved. You will also need to know about Radiatively Induced Fermion Resonance. Studying this secret relentlessly for years, I have found little bits of the puzzle. They are nuclear powered aircraft. They utilize a mercury-thorium solution as a fuel source and working fluid. Not a nuclear reactor, but a generator, directly converting the exploitable thorium beta decay chain, to a nuclear magnetic moment. The torus configuration is a self driving EM pump that then creates a force normal to gravity, like a super maglev. This is gimballed to achieve flight and maneuver. Many people have independently reversed this design, and the math is solid. I myself have collected documents to support every claim I just made. There is OPINT, SIGINT, HUMINT in there too. You dont see any Homer Hickam or North Korea types building them because they require literal tons of mercury, and the nuclear material. Mercury is very well controlled on a global scale, just like uranium, all kinds of environmental regulation.
The reason this tech will never be publicly released: they are flying nuclear hazmat nightmares. They put out an identifiable form of radiation when they operate. They can be detected, once you know how they run.
And we already have something better, there are rumors about newer ones with a better tech, but I dont quite understand the technical claims they make for how those work. Something about pulsed lasers and antimatter, the phrase Schwinger limit kept showing up.
Anyway, go buy an old Levitron off of Ebay, set it on your desk, any whenever you feel glum about the future, give it a spin and remember that its a hand powered UFO.
I have no way of verifying any of this, but your writing makes me reminisce about the weirder parts of the internet about 15 years ago. It was a time with a weird cross pollination between internet sleuths, fringe academia, x-files aestheticians and citizen journalists - before the waves of commercialisation would push these fringes out of sight and drown them in noise.
I remember spartan looking websites with thorough and somewhat level headed journalism and research made by often highly educated hobbyists into the history of all kinds of stuff from CIA to Oluf Palme, from Göbekli Tepe to the backside of geopolitics.
This is probably partly my mind playing tricks on me but what stood out was the depth of research, the common courtesy and the long well thought out replies people would write.
People really had read the books, the docs, the papers and made up their minds from that.
Today so much gets derailed into superficial identity or tribal politics, completely bonkers conspiracy-fiction ala Inforwars or psyop bullshit that is hard to attach any messenger to.
Does anyone know where to get that hit of fringe without all of the hysteria and insanity today?
1) Engines requiring "tons of mercury" (and, presumably, more tons of thorium etc. dissolved in it) are likely to be heavier than competing technologies. For aircraft use, it's a significant drawback.
2)An engine that is based on heavy spinning parts might perhaps drive propellers, but military propeller aircraft have stopped being secret futuristic tech between 80 and 100 years ago.
3) Thorium is quite stable. How could its decay be exploited as a power source? Other radioactive elements, like the plutonium isotopes used in space probes (for heat production) offer a better compromise between stable enough to store and use as fuel and unstable enough to be weight-efficient.
4) Patent US20120105181A1 is illustrated with an actual Levitron toy.
I'd assume it's a joke, but US20130175895A1 by the same author is a bit more interesting and along the same lines, and it has the appearance of egregious crackpot material (competing in the prestigious free energy/perpetual motion division).
Suppose a nation state spend several trillion dollars on investigating every improbability to achieve science fiction like travel capacity & speed to eventually reach the conclusion we have reached global maximum of physics as it is.
What is the superior strategy to this nation state other than sending adversaries on a similar resource waisting wild goose chase?
First of all why does every nation state have to see other nations as adversarial? They could just share those insights and everyone gains. We're all in the same game of life.
I haven't found anyone serious trying to understand what happened. There's a lot of info, even just on the overlay of the cameras.
Id really like to know what the velocity, altitude and acceleration of these things was.
Do you know of anybody who has done an analysis of these videos?
Spoiler: “Real” here meaning “we don’t know what they are”.
A researcher YouTube already put together a video showing the unlikelihood that it’s extra terrestrial, and more of a visual phenomena of the camera they were testing out on these planes. If someone would be kind as to link it.
One thing that is not really explained is why experienced pilots would not be aware of the phenomena explained in this video. Seems to me they would experience this all the time.
fwiw I don't think it's actually an extraterrestrial object.
Read Christopher Mellon's, Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Minority Staff Director Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, twitter (https://twitter.com/ChristopherKMe4) for his take on this.
The debunker misses a lot like multiple visual and radar confirmations on the target.
> But … admitting that they see things in the sky and they can’t identify them, that to me is the most amazing part of this
Really?
What is amazing about this?
There have been thousands of UFO sightings over the past decades and a huge proportion of these have been explained. But not all. There are still a few sightings that we have no explanation for, there is nothing amazing about it.
Obviously, that doesn't mean these unexplained sightings are aliens, they are most likely natural phenomena we haven't figured out yet, but there's nothing remarkable about admitting we have no explanation for something.
You know, to me it looks more like a hot pixel on an infrared array or mirror speck than any resolvable object. The thing seems to move around / jitter very slightly so maybe not a hot pixel though. Was there a crew report of actually seeing this, or just the camera or video images? With these cameras you basically should default to any other possible artifact before supposing it's a "UFO"...
There where two pilots and two feeds that displayed the same image, so the only other conclusion is that both the pilots had a hot pixel on the exact same corresponding location.
I read a reasonable-sounding hypothesis that this could have been adversaries testing the aircraft’s tracking and target-acquisition capabilities.
If you’re testing someone’s active radar, you would want a prominent object to catch their attention, which then moves in increasingly erratic patterns until tracking fails.
The projected image/combined laser beam seems like a feasible way to achieve this, and I don’t think it takes a huge level of commitment from a national military to build one.
Maybe coincident lasers were being projected from submarines just beneath the surface.
[+] [-] nickpinkston|6 years ago|reply
"Researchers working with high-power laser weapons discovered that they could create a glowing ball of fire in the sky by crossing the beams of two powerful infrared lasers…By moving the laser beams around the sky, the researchers found they could shift the plasma ball back and forth at very high speed…. At night, they demonstrated their skills, flying their glowing creations in formation high above the cold desert."
https://www.wired.com/2007/05/plasma-laser-uf/
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[+] [-] mncharity|6 years ago|reply
> This comment on ArsTechnica on the same subject links to some videos which have nice explanations for the videos: https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/navy-releases-three-... Basically lens flare, balloon, and a plane.
The video links there are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Btns91W5J8&t=7s , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLyEO0jNt6M&t=20s , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1oTg0kxzDs .
[+] [-] lmilcin|6 years ago|reply
Every day objects that find themselves at the right place and time in completely different setting from when they are normally seen, at drastically different scales, they confound our minds because they break patterns our minds are built to recognize.
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[+] [-] imustbeevil|6 years ago|reply
It's probably not aliens. It's probably not a hot air balloon. Be more skeptical. Allow things to be unexplained if no explanation is sufficient. When every video someone links points to the same video, your warning lights should be going off.
The Pentagon and Navy would not have released these as "UFOs" if a game developer watching blurry footage could have told them what they were.
[+] [-] TheHeretic12|6 years ago|reply
The reason this tech will never be publicly released: they are flying nuclear hazmat nightmares. They put out an identifiable form of radiation when they operate. They can be detected, once you know how they run.
And we already have something better, there are rumors about newer ones with a better tech, but I dont quite understand the technical claims they make for how those work. Something about pulsed lasers and antimatter, the phrase Schwinger limit kept showing up.
Anyway, go buy an old Levitron off of Ebay, set it on your desk, any whenever you feel glum about the future, give it a spin and remember that its a hand powered UFO.
[+] [-] kossTKR|6 years ago|reply
I remember spartan looking websites with thorough and somewhat level headed journalism and research made by often highly educated hobbyists into the history of all kinds of stuff from CIA to Oluf Palme, from Göbekli Tepe to the backside of geopolitics.
This is probably partly my mind playing tricks on me but what stood out was the depth of research, the common courtesy and the long well thought out replies people would write. People really had read the books, the docs, the papers and made up their minds from that.
Today so much gets derailed into superficial identity or tribal politics, completely bonkers conspiracy-fiction ala Inforwars or psyop bullshit that is hard to attach any messenger to.
Does anyone know where to get that hit of fringe without all of the hysteria and insanity today?
[+] [-] HelloNurse|6 years ago|reply
1) Engines requiring "tons of mercury" (and, presumably, more tons of thorium etc. dissolved in it) are likely to be heavier than competing technologies. For aircraft use, it's a significant drawback.
2)An engine that is based on heavy spinning parts might perhaps drive propellers, but military propeller aircraft have stopped being secret futuristic tech between 80 and 100 years ago.
3) Thorium is quite stable. How could its decay be exploited as a power source? Other radioactive elements, like the plutonium isotopes used in space probes (for heat production) offer a better compromise between stable enough to store and use as fuel and unstable enough to be weight-efficient.
4) Patent US20120105181A1 is illustrated with an actual Levitron toy. I'd assume it's a joke, but US20130175895A1 by the same author is a bit more interesting and along the same lines, and it has the appearance of egregious crackpot material (competing in the prestigious free energy/perpetual motion division).
[+] [-] nolite|5 years ago|reply
Can you share with the rest of the class?
[+] [-] lowdose|6 years ago|reply
What is the superior strategy to this nation state other than sending adversaries on a similar resource waisting wild goose chase?
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[+] [-] CydeWeys|6 years ago|reply
Tl;dr it can simply be explained as a balloon drifting in the wind.
[+] [-] troughway|6 years ago|reply
A researcher YouTube already put together a video showing the unlikelihood that it’s extra terrestrial, and more of a visual phenomena of the camera they were testing out on these planes. If someone would be kind as to link it.
[+] [-] mouzogu|6 years ago|reply
One thing that is not really explained is why experienced pilots would not be aware of the phenomena explained in this video. Seems to me they would experience this all the time.
fwiw I don't think it's actually an extraterrestrial object.
[+] [-] ballarak|6 years ago|reply
The debunker misses a lot like multiple visual and radar confirmations on the target.
[+] [-] chrisseaton|6 years ago|reply
That's what UFO means - 'unidentified'.
[+] [-] hota_mazi|6 years ago|reply
Really?
What is amazing about this?
There have been thousands of UFO sightings over the past decades and a huge proportion of these have been explained. But not all. There are still a few sightings that we have no explanation for, there is nothing amazing about it.
Obviously, that doesn't mean these unexplained sightings are aliens, they are most likely natural phenomena we haven't figured out yet, but there's nothing remarkable about admitting we have no explanation for something.
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https://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/03/us/cia-admits-government-...
[+] [-] asfarley|6 years ago|reply
If you’re testing someone’s active radar, you would want a prominent object to catch their attention, which then moves in increasingly erratic patterns until tracking fails.
The projected image/combined laser beam seems like a feasible way to achieve this, and I don’t think it takes a huge level of commitment from a national military to build one.
Maybe coincident lasers were being projected from submarines just beneath the surface.
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