Simple things that used to work fine. Start menu search, for one. The start menu used to be blazing fast and search was consistent. Nowadays the start menu can be sluggish in certain cases and search might not return local results seemingly at random.
The calculator used to be fast and load instantly, now it's one of those UWP monsters that even asks you to rate it in the Microsoft store...
I don't recall hearing about updates bricking machines or causing data loss at scale back in the Windows 7 days but it seems like that is now a relatively common occurrence, amplified by the fact that you can no longer hide/defer updates on consumer versions of Windows. I think the firing of their QA team and delegating the work to unpaid "insiders" and telemetry might have something to do with this.
The new Settings UI is absolutely disgusting both in looks and information density and is a clear downgrade from the previous version.
I can go on and on. I would sympathize if they were pushing the boundaries of software engineering but what we're talking about isn't groundbreaking - these are problems that were mostly solved a decade ago and Microsoft intentionally backtracked on their progress by the looks of it.
> I don't recall hearing about updates bricking machines or causing data loss at scale back in the Windows 7 days but it seems like that is now a relatively common occurrence,
This could also be explained by user expectations for software rising but quality of Microsoft code remaining constant. In the past users may have written off such events as 'just the way computers work sometimes' but perhaps now users realize that computers needn't be so unreliable.
How long does it take after boot for disk I/O to stop if you've got a 5400 rpm hard drive? It's maybe a few minutes after login on 7, and I've never seen it stop on 10.
Why does the calculator take seconds to start? Why does it ignore keypresses when it has focus?
How many clicks does it take to set my IP on an isolated network with no DHCPd? How many different contol interfaces will I see on the way?
On Old Edge (I haven't tried Chrome based Edge), why does the stop button sometimes not stop until the page finishes loading over several seconds? Why do the back and forward, and url navigation interactions queue up in that case?
I'm sure this was your experience, but it was not mine:
>How long does it take after boot for disk I/O to stop if you've got a 5400 rpm hard drive? It's maybe a few minutes after login on 7, and I've never seen it stop on 10.
Unsure what you are saying. Windows is the only OS to write to disk after boot? I don't see anything hitting the disk after a few seconds.
>Why does the calculator take seconds to start?
Instant
>Why does it ignore keypresses when it has focus?
unable to reproduce
>How many clicks does it take to set my IP on an isolated network with no DHCPd
4
>On Old Edge
I don't use that particular piece of software so I can't tell you.
> Forced reboots for updates even if the computer is in the middle of a long-running task
Oh God don't get me started. Few days ago I was in the middle of a videoconference with some important people, when suddenly my screen went blue, flashed a Windows spinner and the word "Restarting", and boom. It just rebooted. With no warning, despite me being on a videocall, on Microsoft Teams of all things! And within the "active hours". How this behavior is acceptable is beyond me.
i think people tend to mean much worse "than before".
for example, i have seen videos of ms word and ms visual studio, on old pentium, load instantly with a splashscreen flashing by. i was truly impressed indeed.
You needed a pretty hefty machine at the time for the splashscreen to flash by.
For example, Word 6 on my 386DX with 4 MB RAM took some time to launch and I had ample time to admire the art that went into the splashscreen. On 486DX with 16 MB RAM, it did flash by.
They made it impossible to opt out of telemetry unless you buy enterprise licenses and run a domain controller.
Old Microsoft software had a simple toggle switch for this.
By default, windows 10 lets Microsoft engineers remotely log into your box and browse your filesystem. They say they only use it for diagnostic purposes, but I don’t see how that could be true unless they’re in violation of US law, which compels them to give the same access to law enforcement.
I’m not sure if you can opt out of that (or whether the opt out would survive a warrant).
I switched away from windows over this sort of thing. There were dozens of other objectionable things they were caught doing, and efforts to build windows 10 “decrappifiers” made it clear they were adding new telemetry every month, and laundering the data through sock puppet domains.
Discussing problems with software is fine for Hacker News, but claiming that there is no point because there is a cabal that hides answers requires evidence which should probably be directed at the site moderators instead.
Nextgrid|5 years ago
The calculator used to be fast and load instantly, now it's one of those UWP monsters that even asks you to rate it in the Microsoft store...
I don't recall hearing about updates bricking machines or causing data loss at scale back in the Windows 7 days but it seems like that is now a relatively common occurrence, amplified by the fact that you can no longer hide/defer updates on consumer versions of Windows. I think the firing of their QA team and delegating the work to unpaid "insiders" and telemetry might have something to do with this.
The new Settings UI is absolutely disgusting both in looks and information density and is a clear downgrade from the previous version.
I can go on and on. I would sympathize if they were pushing the boundaries of software engineering but what we're talking about isn't groundbreaking - these are problems that were mostly solved a decade ago and Microsoft intentionally backtracked on their progress by the looks of it.
catalogia|5 years ago
This could also be explained by user expectations for software rising but quality of Microsoft code remaining constant. In the past users may have written off such events as 'just the way computers work sometimes' but perhaps now users realize that computers needn't be so unreliable.
paulryanrogers|5 years ago
toast0|5 years ago
How long does it take after boot for disk I/O to stop if you've got a 5400 rpm hard drive? It's maybe a few minutes after login on 7, and I've never seen it stop on 10.
Why does the calculator take seconds to start? Why does it ignore keypresses when it has focus?
How many clicks does it take to set my IP on an isolated network with no DHCPd? How many different contol interfaces will I see on the way?
On Old Edge (I haven't tried Chrome based Edge), why does the stop button sometimes not stop until the page finishes loading over several seconds? Why do the back and forward, and url navigation interactions queue up in that case?
xnyan|5 years ago
>How long does it take after boot for disk I/O to stop if you've got a 5400 rpm hard drive? It's maybe a few minutes after login on 7, and I've never seen it stop on 10.
Unsure what you are saying. Windows is the only OS to write to disk after boot? I don't see anything hitting the disk after a few seconds.
>Why does the calculator take seconds to start?
Instant
>Why does it ignore keypresses when it has focus?
unable to reproduce
>How many clicks does it take to set my IP on an isolated network with no DHCPd
4
>On Old Edge I don't use that particular piece of software so I can't tell you.
Grimm665|5 years ago
- Uncontrollable automatic updates on Windows 10
- Forced reboots for updates even if the computer is in the middle of a long-running task
- Ruining of Windows search to the point it is basically unusable
- Removal of Paint and deprecation of the Snipping Tool
You know, just to name a few.
TeMPOraL|5 years ago
Oh God don't get me started. Few days ago I was in the middle of a videoconference with some important people, when suddenly my screen went blue, flashed a Windows spinner and the word "Restarting", and boom. It just rebooted. With no warning, despite me being on a videocall, on Microsoft Teams of all things! And within the "active hours". How this behavior is acceptable is beyond me.
blackandblue|5 years ago
for example, i have seen videos of ms word and ms visual studio, on old pentium, load instantly with a splashscreen flashing by. i was truly impressed indeed.
vetinari|5 years ago
For example, Word 6 on my 386DX with 4 MB RAM took some time to launch and I had ample time to admire the art that went into the splashscreen. On 486DX with 16 MB RAM, it did flash by.
im3w1l|5 years ago
paulryanrogers|5 years ago
Of course what constitutes an improvement or regression may vary by person
hedora|5 years ago
Old Microsoft software had a simple toggle switch for this.
By default, windows 10 lets Microsoft engineers remotely log into your box and browse your filesystem. They say they only use it for diagnostic purposes, but I don’t see how that could be true unless they’re in violation of US law, which compels them to give the same access to law enforcement.
I’m not sure if you can opt out of that (or whether the opt out would survive a warrant).
I switched away from windows over this sort of thing. There were dozens of other objectionable things they were caught doing, and efforts to build windows 10 “decrappifiers” made it clear they were adding new telemetry every month, and laundering the data through sock puppet domains.
Stratoscope|5 years ago
I'd like to see a reputable source for that claim.
anewdirection|5 years ago
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dang|5 years ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
saagarjha|5 years ago