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Show HN: Turn your fancy, expensive computer into a stupid typewriter

90 points| eykd | 5 years ago |couchto50k.club

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205guy|5 years ago

I was expecting the graphic to animate as I type, with the ribbon holder jumping up and down, maybe even display the text itself, and hoping to hear that satisfying sound of the letters against the platen. Obviously the shutdown hasn't lasted long enough.

I'm only half joking. I like the concept of re-implementing typewriter constraints on the writing process, but the skeumorphism was lacking. It took me a second to figure out why there were 2 text boxes, and the word-based tokenization is not type-writer like at all.

More importantly, one key aspect of the typewriter was lacking: the immobility of the cursor. In a typewriter, it was the page/canvas that moved, and your cursor stayed fixed. You could type paragraphs even an entire page without moving your head or even your eyeballs by just staring at the contact point of the letters.

Searching for "typewriter simulator" found this which is very close to what I was imagining: https://uniqcode.com/typewriter/

It even recreates the problem of missed letters if you type too fast (though I suspect it's a bug). At least it doesn't jam.

eykd|5 years ago

Ha, yeah, you'll have to find your skeumorphism over there. :) That's a pretty neat achievement, I have to say.

But I don't actually want to use a typewriter, I just want to force myself to write without editing.

garaetjjte|5 years ago

>missed letters if you type too fast (though I suspect it's a bug)

It states it's intentional:

>Just like a real manual typewriter, you can only press one character key at a tim

I have never used typewriter, but I don't think this is correct, the limitation should apply only for adjacent keys, not globally for all keys. This is the whole point of QWERTY layout, to type faster by spacing letters in words as far as possible to avoid jamming typewriter.

zck|5 years ago

I've been taking a writing class through Second City, and I've found it incredibly useful to write out my first drafts on paper, by hand. I don't think I'm losing any time by having to type my second draft into the computer afresh - you're going to be looking at it anyway, and it's useful to be forced to reread every word. It's easy to skip over parts if you don't need to touch them.

There's the bonus that my notebook had no flashing lights, no notifications, no way for me to switch to my email.

Also I enjoy the tactility of a fountain pen on paper.

eykd|5 years ago

Yeah, this is a great tactic for those inclined. I'm afraid I'm too impatient. I can type much faster than I can write long-hand, and there's a better chance of my being able to decipher it later. :)

SamBam|5 years ago

Once when stuck on how to structure my second chapter of my thesis, and had been procrastinating over it for a week, I was sitting in the library with my computer, and I instead pulled out a pad of paper and wrote out the whole damn chapter in pen in about an hour.

It was all in my head, it just needed to come out. Somehow the words just flowed with a pen.

false_kermit|5 years ago

I definitely think that the worst part about typing on a computer is how easy it makes it to not draft. I write about music on the side, and if I spend 15 minutes planning what I'm going to write prior to actually writing it (for a 500 word piece) then everything turns out much more cohesive at the end. I can pretty much type as fast as I can think, but my thoughts are pretty garbage unless I get a chance to organize them first.

crooked-v|5 years ago

My hand cramps up horribly after writing about a page's worth (and has ever since I was kid), so this never worked much for me.

scblock|5 years ago

This is a concept that comes up fairly often and I must stress that what works for one person may not work for everyone else, whether that's writing longhand on paper, a mechanical or electric typewriter, dedicated word processing device, WordPerfect 5.1 in DOS, Microsoft Word, Google Sheets, Notepad, Emacs, Vim, iA Writer, or anything else.

And though constraints can be helpful in some cases, I don't find the appeal to nostalgia like this site uses to be all that useful. Again, find what works for you.

And I find this particular implementation very hard to use, because text jumps from the input box to another box as I type, which is very distracting. The Hacker News comment input box is easier to work with and use as typewriter than this is.

eykd|5 years ago

I've used every technology you mentioned there. :) Different strokes for different folks, for sure. Use what works. Don't use what doesn't.

jsnhlls|5 years ago

This is cool! In the spirit of "an app can be a home-cooked meal", I wrote something similar in the last few weeks: https://github.com/jasonahills/wemustgoforward

eykd|5 years ago

Parallel invention! Do you want to be Newton or Leibniz?

I'll be honest. Your typewriter has a better enamel finish. :)

samcgraw|5 years ago

I've enjoyed writing short (mostly ghost) stories for friends and family over the last number of years, but I've never considered going for something like 50K words (and as a runner, I did appreciate the analogy!) until now. Thank you for sharing this!

This might be a bit tangential, but over the last few months I've been working on a collaborative writing project called Storylocks (https://www.storylocks.com) to make writing practice more fun and be able to riff on other writers' ideas. Excited to see more applications in the creative writing space coming out of the woodwork!

eykd|5 years ago

It's nice to know someone got the joke. :) Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

generalpass|5 years ago

I think that learning to type on an actual typewriter makes these kinds of exercises not as useful for me. Although I learned on electric typewriters that allowed one full line of text, displayed in a LCD, to be typed before "printing", the first half of the class we were not allowed to use this feature.

When I want to put words down without intrusion, I disable spellcheck and generally don't find myself that concerned with mispelling.

MichaelApproved|5 years ago

I remember that one line buffer during typing class in the 1990’s when I was in typing school. We weren’t allowed to use it either. One kid tried to secretly use it anyway but anyone who’s used that feature knows there’s no way to keep it a secret. That thing sounds like an A-10 firing its gun when it types from the buffer.

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt

projektfu|5 years ago

I learned how to type on an old PC/AT (old even in 1991) and used a typing tutor program. frf ded sws aqa

But learning to type on the model F keyboard was very useful as I developed great speed. I made extra money in high school typing people's papers. The most important lessons from touch typing courses are: look at what you're typing and don't correct as you go, sit up straight with your shoulders back, don't rest your wrists on the table. When you're dilly-dallying around in powerpoint this stuff doesn't matter, but when you're typing 4000-6000 words per hour, it makes a huge difference.

I eventually moved to using an Apple Extended Keyboard II, which had a lot of great features, and then back to an IBM model M. Now I use a Unicomp model M derivative. How I wish I could have a similar keyboard on a laptop these days.

eykd|5 years ago

I bet. I'm in the first generation raised on Mavis Beacon, and I've been writing in malleable text environments most of my life. The temptation to edit as I go can be overwhelming, and I sometimes envy the writers who were forced by their tools to work in actual drafts.

ipsin|5 years ago

I would like it more if the "full-screen" mode was almost completely the content written, similar to a typewriter display.

No picture of a typewriter, minimal controls, a small box for the new line, and everything else is what you've typed so far.

fbelzile|5 years ago

Check out my app: https://getcoldturkey.com/writer/

It looks a little like Word, and there's no new line box, but it has the other things you mentioned. You can also set it to block everything else on your computer until you write a certain number of words, or for a certain amount of time. I'm adding typewriter scrolling soon too.

The pro features let you disable certain keys, etc. but you get a lot of value out of the free version.

jonahbenton|5 years ago

For the writing-on-paper crew, of which I am a longtime member-

For decades I have worked my way through a box of Levenger Circa paper a month, writing with Namiki retractable fountain pens- later Zebra Steel ballpoints-

I love thick, tactile writing paper and ergonomic pens but have been able to transition pretty well to writing on a Remarkable tablet. It isn't quite the same, doesn't always engender the same flow, but it is pretty close and I am in eager anticipation for the next round of hardware coming this summer.

If you are looking for a digital bridge for the paper writing habit, check out the Remarkable.

(Just an impressed user, no relationship).

Cheers.

webel0|5 years ago

This reminds me of how Jonathan Franzen writes on a giant old laptop with no internet. (Forgot where I read this.) Different dimension of keeping it simple.

Interesting to contrast with the likes of grammarly or google suggestions. I can’t stand having that stuff in my ear while writing. However, I did have a friend who was a non-native English speaker and he liked it because he felt less self-conscious about screwing up grammar elements when writing.

linuxftw|5 years ago

My approach is to do heavy writing in a plain text editor, then I paste into a word doc and format. Having to worry about spell correct and auto-indent doing weird stuff, grammar suggestions, all very distracting when you're trying to brain-dump words into a document.

eykd|5 years ago

Nice. Some people buy old Alphasmarts off of ebay.

Tools like Grammarly are great, but when I'm writing, I need to be left alone with the words. The squiggles come later, when I'm editing and revising.

JoelMcCracken|5 years ago

i bet there is an emacs minor mode that disables backspace and various other editing commands. If not, someone ought to do it.

timonoko|5 years ago

    C-X C-Z cat > my.txt
-- S'il vous plaît

LanceH|5 years ago

I've kind of wanted to augment the backspace with some mild swearing while it is being used: "damnit damnit ughh damnit".

eykd|5 years ago

This needs to happen. I wish my emacs-lisp fu were stronger, or I'd do it myself.