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Which leaves some hope that everybody is not yet brainwashed.
Remember, China sequenced the virus and shared the genome with the whole world to help build tests faster. And now they would try to impede research?
Also, 9 times or of 10 it takes a long time to get an idea of where an attack is coming from. And independently of what they know, 9 times out of 10 politics won't tell you what they know but what they want you to believe. So what are the chances that you have any idea of what actually happened and why? Close to zero.
What to do then? Well, at least let us refrain from howling with the wolves.
I think the difference is that the West is engaging in surveillance and not sabotage. If the CCP was found to contaminate or corrupt data, that is a far step above Western norms. Also, the West mostly focuses on international relations and national security concerns, whereas the CCP also participates in economic sabotage and IP transfer.
For example, it would be big news for the US to have been caught hacking Huawei, but, the CCP does this all the time to US companies.
And anytime there’s someone trying to give a different perspective on the situation, there’s always someone who points out the political context. Sometimes having these conflicting opinions is conducive for good discussion and reducing echo chambers.
> And anytime there’s someone trying to give a different perspective on the situation, there’s always someone who points out the political context.
Yes, the Chinese government hacking into scientific organizations of other countries has political implications. In fact, they are probably the most significant implications, so it's correct to discuss them every time.
Just a detail about language and meaning. I think you may have meant to say:
>"if it was up to me, all of the senior members of the CCP would be tried for crimes against humanity."<
thereby leaving punishment to depend on the determination of criminal activity,
instead of
dcolkitt>"if it was up to me, all of the senior members of the CCP would be tried and executed for crimes against humanity. "*
The form you used describes a sort of "Judge Roy Bean" justice, whereby you assume them guilty of crimes. But if you do assume them guilty, why a trial? Simplify your language to the more succinct:
>"if it was up to me, the senior members of the CCP would be executed. "
I agree that public research should be publicly available, and Covid research in particular, but having worked in biomedicine, I also know that making data available to, and consumable by, everyone else takes actual work and dedicated resources, and most of the time when the data aren't easily downloadable it's usually not because someone doesn't want to share, but because they have other work to do and are possibly still collecting data. Unfortunately some of those resources now have to be spent recovering from a hacking attempt instead of actual science. Speaking as an American, I would prefer that the CIA and NSA please NOT hack Covid vaccine research in other countries based on stupid assumptions.
Again, to deflect the obvious misstatements of how IP actually works, anyone who wants to sell a vaccine to the world will need to produce large amounts of data and presumably a formal patent which will actually document how it is made. How the licensing actually shakes out is a complicated question and will no doubt be as acrimonious as everyone expects, but as long as we're at the early stages these arguments are a waste of time and effort. Get the vaccine(s) working, do it right, do it without fing over the rest of the world, then* worry about whether IP rights or excessive secrecy are holding us back.
dang|5 years ago
rixed|5 years ago
Remember, China sequenced the virus and shared the genome with the whole world to help build tests faster. And now they would try to impede research?
Also, 9 times or of 10 it takes a long time to get an idea of where an attack is coming from. And independently of what they know, 9 times out of 10 politics won't tell you what they know but what they want you to believe. So what are the chances that you have any idea of what actually happened and why? Close to zero.
What to do then? Well, at least let us refrain from howling with the wolves.
the_pwner224|5 years ago
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free_rms|5 years ago
We're hacking them, they're hacking us, yawn. We hacked Angela Merkel's phone, even. This is normal low level stuff.
mensetmanusman|5 years ago
jorblumesea|5 years ago
For example, it would be big news for the US to have been caught hacking Huawei, but, the CCP does this all the time to US companies.
thephyber|5 years ago
unknown|5 years ago
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anyyw|5 years ago
ciarannolan|5 years ago
Yes, the Chinese government hacking into scientific organizations of other countries has political implications. In fact, they are probably the most significant implications, so it's correct to discuss them every time.
dcolkitt|5 years ago
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giardini|5 years ago
>"if it was up to me, all of the senior members of the CCP would be tried for crimes against humanity."<
thereby leaving punishment to depend on the determination of criminal activity,
instead of
dcolkitt>"if it was up to me, all of the senior members of the CCP would be tried and executed for crimes against humanity. "*
The form you used describes a sort of "Judge Roy Bean" justice, whereby you assume them guilty of crimes. But if you do assume them guilty, why a trial? Simplify your language to the more succinct:
>"if it was up to me, the senior members of the CCP would be executed. "
natechols|5 years ago
Again, to deflect the obvious misstatements of how IP actually works, anyone who wants to sell a vaccine to the world will need to produce large amounts of data and presumably a formal patent which will actually document how it is made. How the licensing actually shakes out is a complicated question and will no doubt be as acrimonious as everyone expects, but as long as we're at the early stages these arguments are a waste of time and effort. Get the vaccine(s) working, do it right, do it without fing over the rest of the world, then* worry about whether IP rights or excessive secrecy are holding us back.
rixed|5 years ago
dntbnmpls|5 years ago
pedroma|5 years ago