"Since I have spent the better part of my adult life in and around databases i will be the first person to tell you... there is very little you can build without them."
Seems that he just decided to entirely ignore systems programming, embedded device development, firmware development, etc.
lol i did not decide to ignore any of the things mentioned here ... simply put, I was saying that I tie most things back into databases both in programming and within my mind, I often think in relation to databases and how they can interact with each other.
my apologies for not expressing well enough that they do not do much all on their own or really even exist for that matter without several other factors. However my lack of recognition in the post was not a reflection of my understanding. sorry if it seemed that way
This is very similar to the arguments in the game dev community defining whether one has ascended from hobbyist to indie status. It's nothing more than an infantile attempt to stroke the egos of the people who consider themselves in the upper-most status.
If somebody misnaming their "waste of server space", "project" or "startup" according to your personal definition offends you then well, that's your problem, not mine. Suck it up and learn to deal with it.
I've seen the silly "start-up vs. project" debate rage on and on, to no end, but I have NEVER seen someone try to define what a "project" is and isn't. Are you actually serious???
If someone gets violent or even offended because of what I call something I worked on for a couple days and threw on the web, then I'd say they've got the bigger problem.
My latest project, is building multiple websites, to test product ideas, that I would someday like to start up into a business. Due to the fact that I left my day job, this is proper usage of the terms...I think =)
Your website that you threw together in a couple of hours, that is NOT a project, and it certainly is not a startup.
Seriouly? So, a project is defined as an ongoing, methodical task, which extends minimally beyond some undefined amount of time?
If you're a tech person, you know that the "couple of hours" may well represent months of idea gestation, followed by two hours of very precise execution based upon, say, ten years of professional experience. Also, consider that any non-trivial website will require ongoing maintenance (try hosting any user-generated content, which instantly puts you in the anti-spam business), and you soon realize that a "two hour project/startup" is likely much, much more than that.
As for startup vs project, 'startup' means you consider yourself to be starting a business. That can mean a lot of things. I can just as easily say you need two million in funding and five signed "rock star" devs before I'd consider you a startup.
[+] [-] burrows|15 years ago|reply
Seems that he just decided to entirely ignore systems programming, embedded device development, firmware development, etc.
This statement is in dire need of a qualifier.
[+] [-] zbruhnke|15 years ago|reply
my apologies for not expressing well enough that they do not do much all on their own or really even exist for that matter without several other factors. However my lack of recognition in the post was not a reflection of my understanding. sorry if it seemed that way
[+] [-] robdor|15 years ago|reply
If somebody misnaming their "waste of server space", "project" or "startup" according to your personal definition offends you then well, that's your problem, not mine. Suck it up and learn to deal with it.
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OK. I think I've just found my new startup. YC look out!
[+] [-] georgieporgie|15 years ago|reply
Seriouly? So, a project is defined as an ongoing, methodical task, which extends minimally beyond some undefined amount of time?
If you're a tech person, you know that the "couple of hours" may well represent months of idea gestation, followed by two hours of very precise execution based upon, say, ten years of professional experience. Also, consider that any non-trivial website will require ongoing maintenance (try hosting any user-generated content, which instantly puts you in the anti-spam business), and you soon realize that a "two hour project/startup" is likely much, much more than that.
As for startup vs project, 'startup' means you consider yourself to be starting a business. That can mean a lot of things. I can just as easily say you need two million in funding and five signed "rock star" devs before I'd consider you a startup.
[+] [-] grumpybaglady|15 years ago|reply