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serkandurusoy | 5 years ago

Ah, I had forgotten that https://en.arguman.org/ even existed, until reading this.

This dates back to 2014 where Turkey was still struggling with the aftermath of widespread civil unrest. The entire nation found itself highly polarized while debates were fueled with mutual anger and disbelief.

This is an "argument analysis platform", as they call it, and it is open source, too, maintained at https://github.com/arguman/arguman.org .

The basic premise is the construction of an argument map, "arguably" a common utility to practice critical thinking.

More info on that at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_map .

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pabs3|5 years ago

Your comment reminded me of Polis:

https://pol.is/ https://github.com/pol-is/

Taiwan use it for their multi-stakeholder decision making to find points of agreement. Their application of it to the Uber vs Taxis situation was quite interesting.

https://debconf18.debconf.org/talks/135-q-a-session-with-min... https://blog.pol.is/pol-is-in-taiwan-da7570d372b5 https://blog.pol.is/uber-responds-to-vtaiwans-coherent-blend...

serkandurusoy|5 years ago

That does sound interesting. Also for the fact that I'd never seen clojure and javascript living in the same codebase, I was expecting python for data handling.

But I digress.

I believe there's a lot to do to find reason in out fundamental unreason as human beings and looks like lots of smart people have ventured into solving this problem.

I guess not all is lost yet for humanity!

rocgf|5 years ago

Arguman is indeed an interesting platform, but I also feel like it is almost impossible to reach any sort of conclusion on it.

For example, https://en.arguman.org/there-is-no-such-thing-as-global-warm.... Every argument, good or bad, falls under some sort of fallacy.

amadeuspagel|5 years ago

Arguman's fallacy system is really an anti-feature. It's impossible to separate the claim that a specific argument is a fallacy from a counter-argument. Many people seem to think that you can just take a word describing a kind of a argument, attach "fallacy" to it, and you have refuted it.

cvlasdkv|5 years ago

Agreed. While logical fallacies are useful to teach people to avoid critical thinking pitfalls they are not useful to sift through the merits of arguments.

serkandurusoy|5 years ago

I hear you.

But is that a problem with the tool, or the lack of sufficient contribution on the topic from sufficiently interested and invested people like subject matter experts?