[lowmemcpu]

Glad you posted this but...

This is one of those multi-day, multi-faceted topics that need us to have many conversations until it's stopped.

Recall the SOPA & PIPA protests of last decade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_SOPA_and_PIPA

There were more than a few discussions here

[ericd]

Requiring everyone to discuss this every few years seems like a surefire strategy to exhaust people. It normalizes the idea, if nothing else.

So the question is how do we get it so that supporting ending effective encryption is a political third rail that ends political careers? Because that seems like the only way to get this to stop coming up until it eventually passes.

Feinstein seems to be a perpetual supporter of this kind of thing. But she keeps getting voted in by CA of all places.

The full list of PIPA supporters according to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Members_of_the_U.S._Co...): Patrick Leahy (D-VT) Lamar Alexander (R-TN) Jeff Bingaman (D-NM) Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) Barbara Boxer (D-CA) Sherrod Brown (D-OH) Bob Casey, Jr. (D-PA) Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) Thad Cochran (R-MS) Chris Coons (D-DE) Bob Corker (R-TN) Dick Durbin (D-IL) Mike Enzi (R-WY) Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Al Franken (D-MN) Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) Lindsey Graham (R-SC) Chuck Grassley (R-IA) Withdrawn 1/18/12[11] Kay Hagan (D-NC) Johnny Isakson (R-GA) Tim Johnson (D-SD) Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) Herb Kohl (D-WI) Mary Landrieu (D-LA) Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) John McCain (R-AZ) Bob Menendez (D-NJ) Bill Nelson (D-FL) Jim Risch (R-ID) Chuck Schumer (D-NY) Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) Tom Udall (D-NM) Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI)

[pmoriarty]

"Requiring everyone to discuss this every few years seems like a surefire strategy to exhaust people"

The older generation may get exhausted, but fortunately there's Eternal September at play, where newer generations constantly arrive, start to become politically aware, and have fresh energy.

In order to continue to effect change we need to continually educate and re-educate people on what's going on and why.

"Feinstein seems to be a perpetual supporter of this kind of thing. But she keeps getting voted in by CA of all places."

Yeah, I really don't get California Democrats' unwavering support for Feinstein.. but then again, they've elected quite a few Republican governors as well, which I also don't understand.

On the other hand, contrary to popular belief, California is not an overwhelmingly Democratic state... there are a fair number of Republicans in office and even when Republicans lose they often manage to get 40% or more of the vote... not the 0% or 10% that's probably in the popular imagination of what California is like.

[grawprog]

The thing is, how many of those politicians receive throwbacks from industry to support this vs actually care about and believe in these laws?

Addressing rampant corporate government bribery(lobbying) would go a long way to preventing these kind of laws from passing.

On a more immediately achievable and realistic level, I think the idea really needs to drilled down into the general public that encryption is your computer and phone's equivalent of a 'front door lock'. I know this is simplistic and not necessarily 100% accurate, but it might as well be as important as one these days for any personal information and these kinds of simplistic, easily understandable metaphors tend to work a lot better than drilling over the details as to why encryption matters.

[thephyber]

> But she keeps getting voted in by CA of all places.

Never underestimate the power of the national party to protect seniority by supporting those campaigns. Seniority brings with it more power on committees.

[frankharv]

Al Franken got cancelled so that must be an old list. After the whole FISA/Steel Report/FBI affair we are now supposed to trust the government with our secrets?

[ocdtrekkie]

HN doesn't really need constant repeat of political promotion. It's been discussed, if there's nothing new happening, it probably doesn't belong on HN.