So, I had a thought about the wording they've been using to describe some of the more incredulous parts of this story.
Specifically this one: “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”
That feels like a crafted, or intentionally obtuse statement. Now there is something to be said for the clinical and dry phrasing of scientists or the military. But this doesn't read to me as "extraterrestrial" and certainly not aliens.
Combined with the assertion this week that Russia was testing a space-based weapon[1], this reads as "A foreign adversary has built a vehicle in space. And we might have captured one."
I agree. Even releasing the original videos showing the UFOs being tracked was likely sending a signal to an adversary. The fact that the objects were being tracked by commodity Navy fighter jets and not something more advanced might send the message “Look, our basic radar can easily track this thing, not to mention our more exotic classified equipment. If we can track it we can shoot it down.” I think this is an attempt to de-escalate a space-based weaponry race that may be getting out of hand.
>Specifically this one: “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”
> That feels like a crafted, or intentionally obtuse statement. Now there is something to be said for the clinical and dry phrasing of scientists or the military. But this doesn't read to me as "extraterrestrial"
“extraterrrestrial” is just a single polysyllabic latinate word for “not made on this earth”. The statements are literally equivalent.
The more significant part of that is that the quote is in reference to someone given a briefing on retrieval techniques, for which precautionary procedures would be developed if your mission included dealing with the potentiality, even if there were no concrete past or current examples.
Has a timeline for the announcement been mentioned in any of these articles? So far it's only been that there will be some kind of announcement, but I can't find any suggestions of when.
Sometimes I wonder if these leaks are strategic as a way to say "hey, if this is you, last chance to come forward before we talk about this publicly"; maybe a little more "are you suuuuuuure these aren't your toys?" before someone finally comes out and says "We found this weirdly shaped hunk of metal and it seems cool but we don't know how to make it".
The conspiracy theorist in me hopes that we found something on Mars, and that's what's been causing all the expeditions out there recently.
What if aliens are more of a psychiatric phenomena? Aliens have the ability to cross galaxies and stay undetectable to most of our instruments. They manipulate our senses to stay hidden to us, and have the ability to wipe our memory, which only gets better over time as they interact and experiment on us more. The amount of technology that an alien civilization amongst us has would be incomprehensible to us, using aspects of physics that we have no idea exist. Probably they are observing us now in detail, waiting to reveal at the correct moment - or more likely, they are revealed when we discover far more advanced technology and we learn how to see them.
Maybe they've just recently managed to make the technology work and they're still operating at the edge of their capabilities. Earth is just the first zoo they've decided to visit before moving on to more important worlds.
> Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corp., a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”
> Davis said he also gave classified briefings on retrievals of unexplained objects to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Oct. 21, 2019, and to members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later.
Previous discussion on this made it seem pretty obvious that the UFO unit existing was largely (if not only) due to nepotism and they're not releasing anything if substance - just more speculation for more funding.
Let’s discuss this rationally and stick to the facts.
You have the US government being forced to be more open about its research on unidentified objects. The most credible reason those events exist is that Russia or China have stealth capabilities beyond what the US knows.
Having these reports out in the public also helps us understand the great mystery of this article: what is making Harry Reid, a senior Senator of great import, so convinced that his own government has access to alien artifacts?
Eric Davis, contractor quoted in the article, stated in another interview that the superpowers of the world have had their fair share of crashes and retrievals. The US isn't unique in this scenario.
My favorite (sort of sad) theory is that this is Martian/Venetian/etc. space junk. The people are long gone but there’s some stuff to out there to be found.
I miss the time when mainstream conspiracy theories were about aliens and governments spying on us. These ideas never harmed anyone. Now we have antivaxxers and the cult of Q.
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[+] [-] TehCorwiz|5 years ago|reply
Specifically this one: “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”
That feels like a crafted, or intentionally obtuse statement. Now there is something to be said for the clinical and dry phrasing of scientists or the military. But this doesn't read to me as "extraterrestrial" and certainly not aliens.
Combined with the assertion this week that Russia was testing a space-based weapon[1], this reads as "A foreign adversary has built a vehicle in space. And we might have captured one."
[1]: https://www.wired.com/story/russia-space-weapon-twitter-hack...
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[+] [-] dragonwriter|5 years ago|reply
> That feels like a crafted, or intentionally obtuse statement. Now there is something to be said for the clinical and dry phrasing of scientists or the military. But this doesn't read to me as "extraterrestrial"
“extraterrrestrial” is just a single polysyllabic latinate word for “not made on this earth”. The statements are literally equivalent.
The more significant part of that is that the quote is in reference to someone given a briefing on retrieval techniques, for which precautionary procedures would be developed if your mission included dealing with the potentiality, even if there were no concrete past or current examples.
[+] [-] throwaway743|5 years ago|reply
"These things don't look like anything that we can manufacture on earth so we don't have the manufacturing or industrial technology for it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2gjPRv4E7s
[+] [-] mekkkkkk|5 years ago|reply
[+] [-] icey|5 years ago|reply
Sometimes I wonder if these leaks are strategic as a way to say "hey, if this is you, last chance to come forward before we talk about this publicly"; maybe a little more "are you suuuuuuure these aren't your toys?" before someone finally comes out and says "We found this weirdly shaped hunk of metal and it seems cool but we don't know how to make it".
The conspiracy theorist in me hopes that we found something on Mars, and that's what's been causing all the expeditions out there recently.
[+] [-] seibelj|5 years ago|reply
What if aliens are more of a psychiatric phenomena? Aliens have the ability to cross galaxies and stay undetectable to most of our instruments. They manipulate our senses to stay hidden to us, and have the ability to wipe our memory, which only gets better over time as they interact and experiment on us more. The amount of technology that an alien civilization amongst us has would be incomprehensible to us, using aspects of physics that we have no idea exist. Probably they are observing us now in detail, waiting to reveal at the correct moment - or more likely, they are revealed when we discover far more advanced technology and we learn how to see them.
OK, thanks for reading.
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> Davis said he also gave classified briefings on retrievals of unexplained objects to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Oct. 21, 2019, and to members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later.
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You have the US government being forced to be more open about its research on unidentified objects. The most credible reason those events exist is that Russia or China have stealth capabilities beyond what the US knows.
Having these reports out in the public also helps us understand the great mystery of this article: what is making Harry Reid, a senior Senator of great import, so convinced that his own government has access to alien artifacts?
[+] [-] throwaway743|5 years ago|reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2gjPRv4E7s
[+] [-] peroporque|5 years ago|reply
The pilot was recently on the Joe Rogan podcast and talked about it.
I don't believe in anything "aliens", but I'm not really sure what to make of that story.
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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23931960
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