[crucio]

Typical response of HN to downvote comments like the parents, just because it's doesn't suit their own lifestyle.

[oblio]

I didn't downvote him but I think I know why he was downvoted. Denying human reality doesn't work. Remember the Prohibition?

[crucio]

Remember when segregation was normal? Remember when slavery was normal? Remember when women had no rights? A growing and large amount of people believe abuse against animals and the environment follows on perfectly. You can be part of the change or blindly ignore it because it doesn't suit how you were brought up.