I thought we are trying to stop hate for characteristics someone has no control over (sex, sexuality, race, gender, disability, nationality). I think any "punches" thrown at a group that was just born that way is not fair and the direction should not be a factor. Shouldn't someone be judged on their character and thoughts, not their biology or circumstances? If you aren't doing that then you aren't being genuine for stopping stereotyping and hate.
This includes "majority" populations and those more privileged. We shouldn't give hateful or blanket statements for them as they never decided to be that way. Putting entire groups of people based on some trait they were born with on blast is wrong.
Also the direction is a slippery slope too. "Well yes I can direct blanket negative/stereotypical/hate statements against Indians because I myself am a disabled, trans minority" ad-infinitum.
The solution to "stop the punching" isn't to demand oppressed people not be upset. The solution is to stop punching down. We stop racism by reversing the material effects of racism, not by spreading an imaginary "color blind" ideology. The last thing we should be doing right now is pretending that race doesn't matter.
> I thought we are trying to stop hate for characteristics someone has no control over (sex, sexuality, race, gender, disability, nationality).
Some of use are, but we seem to be losing.
> Shouldn't someone be judged on their character and thoughts, not their biology or circumstances?
This is considered racist now. This was explained to me by a friend that if a person wants to be seen as a "$race man", than not seeing him that way would be offensive.
I don't think it should be. I think punches above a certain threshold of force shouldn't be permitted, regardless of whether they're aimed left, right, up, down, or diagonally. Also, who exactly is definitively judging these directions in each of these cases? What's the judgment criteria when two people reside among a distribution of different relative directions across multiple different parameters?
I think eliminating double standards in the enforcement of these policies is crucial for them to be effective and accepted by a community. You're just trading one set of implicit and explicit biases in for another, and many of the same issues start to bubble up. Yes, certainly not all of the same issues in the case of one group wielding more capability to carry out a threat than another group, but many of the important ones, especially when it comes to matters of epistemology and reasoning.
When punching down it's important to dress it up so it looks like punching up. Attack the innocent who look like the guilty because the guilty are too hard to reach.
specialp|5 years ago
This includes "majority" populations and those more privileged. We shouldn't give hateful or blanket statements for them as they never decided to be that way. Putting entire groups of people based on some trait they were born with on blast is wrong.
Also the direction is a slippery slope too. "Well yes I can direct blanket negative/stereotypical/hate statements against Indians because I myself am a disabled, trans minority" ad-infinitum.
james-mcelwain|5 years ago
john-shaffer|5 years ago
Some of use are, but we seem to be losing.
> Shouldn't someone be judged on their character and thoughts, not their biology or circumstances?
This is considered racist now. This was explained to me by a friend that if a person wants to be seen as a "$race man", than not seeing him that way would be offensive.
meowface|5 years ago
I think eliminating double standards in the enforcement of these policies is crucial for them to be effective and accepted by a community. You're just trading one set of implicit and explicit biases in for another, and many of the same issues start to bubble up. Yes, certainly not all of the same issues in the case of one group wielding more capability to carry out a threat than another group, but many of the important ones, especially when it comes to matters of epistemology and reasoning.
sukilot|5 years ago