After having unrestricted access to bulletin board systems and the internet since being 10 years old, I have to say with some disappointment that if the dark triad personality type is on the rise, it has to be related to what is now unrestricted free internet for everyone.
The current version of the internet having been commercialized and available everywhere creates a sort of machine learning feed back loop for narcissism just like it does with fake news.
We all became the evil queen from Snow White in varying forms. Except the mirror evolved and became halfway sentient and began controlling us.
If you look at the DSM-5 example of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) it describes the behaviors and outcomes that we have seen with increased social media addiction.
So the theory is that the internet is a dangerous addiction like any other, far more than people want to admit... Certainly more than the people who helped create it want to admit. All you have to do is look around society to see the impact.
I definitely see that but could not write this so elegantly. There's forum trolls that comment everywhere to show their mark online. The girls I've dated are different. I don't like most of them anymore because of the things you pointed out. It wasn't that way even a few years ago.
Screen addiction is my problem. It's essentially a neon sign you change at your whim to do anything and color really changed perspective. I disabled colors on my devices to attempt to better work.
I have a question regarding dark personalities as they are called.
Now it seems clear to me that dark personalities are a problem. My question is, aren't these personalities evolutionary adaptations? And if they're evolutionary adaptations isn't the bigger problem the fact that the environment rewards them? I'm seeing a lot of people bordering on sociopathy who are highly successful.
Why focus on the individual instead of the environment that rewards him
Here's a handy tip you won't find often on HN: any time you're wondering whether X is "an evolutionary adaptation", where X is "any complex phenotype that isn't a genetic disease", the answer is very probably no. Most of our evolution is accidental, because the dominant evolutionary process is genetic drift [0]. There are exceptions to this rule but they have been usually very easy to demonstrate - natural selection, when it occurs, is fairly obvious to see. There's no such thing as a hidden force that invisibly yet tangibly acts on all genes in such a subtle manner that you can't ever detect it through a reliable genetic mechanism - that's just 21th century essentialism.
This was the opposite of my takeaway. Dark personalities are just playing to win, the reason they're signaling victimhood is tied to the benefits it brings them. It's not cheating, it's a gamer's blunt acknowledgement of the metagame. If the support system is so generous that victimhood becomes advantageous you're going to find a lot of victims. We can either narrow our definitions/rewards or ignore actors who go against the spirit of the thing.
In the FA, the system that rewards them is actually the same social system that attempts to help people who are unfortunate or who are treated unfairly... The biggest problem is that these "dark personalities" will weasel their way to game any system, because any system designed by humans is fallible. Without the ability to have complete knowledge and someone to wield that knowledge altruistically (a role that can be entrusted to no human), it's an unsolvable problem.
Someone mentioned generic drift but that doesn't really answer your question. By evolution do you mean genetically different from other humans (like psycho genes) or as a human trait that is innate for humans?
Serial killers sometimes change from childhood, or have the triad of problems ( fire setting, bed wetting being beaten for it and animal killing) and some people get molested and develop different personalities, splitting or bipolar. They had to have been predisposed to it, but yes you can get these traits from bad experiences.
The adaptation is natural. I mentioned serial killers to show failures of society, sociopath isn't always successful most are not like most people aren't. It's not a Willy Wonka ticket to success. If you can apply Machiavelli to stuff you can change too (unless it's always been in is, who knows).
The article is misleading to me as well
>Despite future long-term mating desires which are unlikely to be achieved with a narcissistic male and possession of substantial mate sampling experience, females view the narcissistic male as a suitable partner.
They say it as if the personality is the only thing that matters. These men are probably narcissistic because they're attractive, women aren't attracted to ugly narcissistic guys and narcissism isn't likely why they're more attractive. Men are also very attracted to these traits in women, I dated a girl like that and if she was ugly with that personality I'm sure nobody would have given her more than laughter. Imagine if Bundy looked like the elephant man, would he have gotten away? Replace narcism with attractiveness and you'll get a much more accurate statement
>People with dark triad traits will tailor their strategies to obtain these benefits, depending on their social environments.
Spoken as if normal people don't.
I'm sorry but the world is just that people like these combined charactistics. It's like being mad at the laws of physics. You also need to attractive to pull most of this shit off.
[+] [-] Threeve303|5 years ago|reply
The current version of the internet having been commercialized and available everywhere creates a sort of machine learning feed back loop for narcissism just like it does with fake news.
We all became the evil queen from Snow White in varying forms. Except the mirror evolved and became halfway sentient and began controlling us.
If you look at the DSM-5 example of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) it describes the behaviors and outcomes that we have seen with increased social media addiction.
So the theory is that the internet is a dangerous addiction like any other, far more than people want to admit... Certainly more than the people who helped create it want to admit. All you have to do is look around society to see the impact.
[+] [-] Waterfall|5 years ago|reply
[+] [-] sadmann1|5 years ago|reply
Now it seems clear to me that dark personalities are a problem. My question is, aren't these personalities evolutionary adaptations? And if they're evolutionary adaptations isn't the bigger problem the fact that the environment rewards them? I'm seeing a lot of people bordering on sociopathy who are highly successful.
Why focus on the individual instead of the environment that rewards him
[+] [-] throwaway4889|5 years ago|reply
[0] https://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2019/08/evolution-by-accident....
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Serial killers sometimes change from childhood, or have the triad of problems ( fire setting, bed wetting being beaten for it and animal killing) and some people get molested and develop different personalities, splitting or bipolar. They had to have been predisposed to it, but yes you can get these traits from bad experiences.
The adaptation is natural. I mentioned serial killers to show failures of society, sociopath isn't always successful most are not like most people aren't. It's not a Willy Wonka ticket to success. If you can apply Machiavelli to stuff you can change too (unless it's always been in is, who knows).
The article is misleading to me as well
>Despite future long-term mating desires which are unlikely to be achieved with a narcissistic male and possession of substantial mate sampling experience, females view the narcissistic male as a suitable partner.
They say it as if the personality is the only thing that matters. These men are probably narcissistic because they're attractive, women aren't attracted to ugly narcissistic guys and narcissism isn't likely why they're more attractive. Men are also very attracted to these traits in women, I dated a girl like that and if she was ugly with that personality I'm sure nobody would have given her more than laughter. Imagine if Bundy looked like the elephant man, would he have gotten away? Replace narcism with attractiveness and you'll get a much more accurate statement
>People with dark triad traits will tailor their strategies to obtain these benefits, depending on their social environments.
Spoken as if normal people don't.
I'm sorry but the world is just that people like these combined charactistics. It's like being mad at the laws of physics. You also need to attractive to pull most of this shit off.
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