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steffandroid | 5 years ago

Please read this piece that Graeber wrote in defence of Corbyn: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/first-time-...

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samizdis|5 years ago

Exactly that. I second your recommendation that it should be read.

ChickeNES|5 years ago

Same old argument I've read from others, it's not going to change my mind about Corbyn or Labour, sorry. And before I get accused of being a right-winger, I'm no fan of Boris, Trump, the Tories, UKIP, or the GOP either

JansjoFromIkea|5 years ago

There's milder right-wing stances than Trump, y'know? Clegg-era LDs were definitely centre-right and I haven't seen a lot since to suggest they've changed radically, beyond shifting from a 100% useful (and unfortunately sabotaged) focus on voting-reform to pie in the sky dreams of undoing Brexit.

The UK is several decades into successive governments with centre-right leanings to some level or another. New Labour were mayyyyybe centre-left, but Blair had to drag them as far right as he could to get anointed by the media.

I'd be interested to hear how your mind was made up though. The UK benefits from having some pretty strong social systems built into its core but the media seems to be practically one-note in a way I haven't experienced in the other countries I've lived (all European/North American) and the sheer fixation on finding ways to push negative write-ups on him was exhausting. You're getting the same counterarguments because it was pretty much the same things coming up again and again.

Brown, Miliband, Kinnock and the voting reform referendum all got similar carpet bombing treatment; albeit to nowhere near the same levels of venom (although the attacks on Brown and his eye were pretty cruel iirc).

areoform|5 years ago

Please reconsider your broader position on changing your mind. This reflexive inflexibility is perhaps the central reason why our civilization is in disarray.