"Dunbar loved shooting skeet because he hated every minute of it and the time passed so slowly. He had figured out that a single hour on the skeet-shooting range with people like Havermeyer and Appleby could be worth as much as eleven-times-seventeen years."
This story made me think of the joke about the guy who was told by his doctor that he has only 6 months to live. He decides to move in with his mother-in-law, because living with her for 6 months will seem like forever.
I used to think that novelty the key to making time go slow, I now think there is a limit to this. I've had a couple jobs that are absolutely filled with novelty, where every day is pretty different from the last. At some point, it becomes a bit of a vortex. I know I've done a lot, but damned if I can actually remember it at the end of the day.
This also happened to me when spending six weeks backpacking in Europe. At some point, the novelty itself became routine. Another castle, another hostel, another view, another language, another transit system. I knew it was time to head back to home base when I felt like I was losing the capacity to be awed by things that were objectively awesome. A couple weeks of being stationary was all it took to get that back a bit.
In order to slow down time, you need not just novelty, but also changes in real circumstances.
I know that feeling exactly. When my wife and I were traveling in the southwest US, we called it "vista fatigue" -- There are only so many times you can be wowed by even the most beathtaking views when there's another one around the next bend too.
> I used to think that novelty the key to making time go slow, I now think there is a limit to this.
Yes. Similar experience here. I moved countries at 40. The first few months it feel like being 20 years younger. I wanted to see everything and went around discovering each place possible.
But, I am not young anymore. Nowadays, my new country is my new home and it feel cozy an familiar and time passes faster than ever.
> This also happened to me when spending six weeks backpacking in Europe.
For me it took longer. I have visited Japan 5 times, usually 5-6 weeks each time. I have visited temples, museums, parks, events, ... The last time I spend half of the time shopping. As, I felt that each new temple is similar to the previous one.
Even traveling to South Korea, and China it does not slows time so much. I guess that the similarities with other Asian countries makes my brain feel like "I have seen that one before".
I would be very interested in knowing if the problem is just age or to have seen already many things. Probably a combination of both.
The article makes a few interesting points, but fails to make the distinction between the two modes in which one can assess the slowness of time: in the moment, and looking back.
Doing something dull, repetitive, routine will seem to take a long time in the moment. However, looking back it won't leave the impression of a lot of time having pased, as your brain will compress similar experiences into one.
The article argues for trying to slow down time looking back (which makes sense to me), but some comments in this thread (bringing up things like meditation) are talking about slowness it the moment.
I wonder if it’s almost like memory compression. Repetitive data gets compressed much more easily than unique data. Looking back on boring tasks and jobs it seems like much shorter amounts of time than long trips even when the jobs were for years and the trips were for weeks.
These days I try to fill my free time with things I consider substantive. Projects, long leisurely meals with friends and family, interesting trips, good books, good food, etc. however at this moment some of those are in short supply so I’m trying to rekindle old hobbies like writing, tinkering, and music.
Another vote for novelty. When I met my wife, she was pushing us to do new things all the time. It seemed like every day we would try a new cafe, a new restaurant, see a new part of town, explore a new trail... There was a 6 month period that felt like it could have been years.
Since moving to the valley and getting absorbed in work, we've stopped doing things. We'll try a new restaurant every week, and maybe go on a day trip every few months. We're coming up on our two year anniversary of moving here and frankly I feel like we could just move on and forget the entire chapter of our life. The last two years feel like 6 months, and that's only because we got married last year and took a week long honeymoon.
If I look back through my photo album, there is a startling difference in the number of pictures I've taken too. I've started forcing myself to just take random pictures now and then just so I don't end up without a record of this time in my life.
I don't know how true it is, but the reason I've heard that routine makes it seem like time goes faster is because your brain condenses similar experiences. If you have a lot of similar days, your brain will interpret them mostly as the same day, making it feel like you don't know where the time went.
Meditation can make subjective time slow down, both in the negative, being bored way, while struggling to enter absorbtion, but also in the opposite way - and that, to a degree that is otherwise unimaginable. Almost like stepping out of time into timelessness.
Just do new things. Go to new places, talk to new people, try new things. It can be as simple as not taking the same route to work/grocery store/etc every time. Mix it up.
Some claim that time feels quicker as you get older because each passing minute is a smaller and smaller portion of your life(e.g. summer for a 6 year old is 5% of their life, whereas it is only half a percent of the life of a 50 year old). But I don't buy that.
Time goes quicker as you get older because people get stuck in the same routine, and it is quite easy to compress memories together when you do the same thing every day. So, go explore, every day, even if it is just mental exploration through books or music, and time will surely slow down.
I think both factors contribute. It's why my childhood occupies such a large amount of my mental memories. My brain had more dedication to those years.
An individual's peak alpha frequency can determine whether two closely spaced flashes of light will be viewed as a single flash. People with faster IPA (individual Peak Alpha) have a faster frame-rate, a faster sampling frequency [1].
In principle, one might use TACS (transcranial alternating current stimulation) or other rhythmic stimuli to entrain IAP and boost one's frame rate. Present work shows that TACS can lower the frame rate, making people more likely to fuse flickers than distinguish them [2].
Milton Erickson did some interesting studies on using hypnosis to get subjective time to go slower for his subject (Time Distortion in Hypnosis: An Experimental and Clinical Investigation).
The interesting part is that it works and has measurable results. From memory, subjects that have been made to feel that times goes slower would be able to count more objects in the same (objective) time.
> I’m sure you’ve noticed that 2020 has seemed longer than other years. I argue this is because of a disruption to so many of our routines.
I would have thought most people would be feeling the opposite. After the initial disruption, life in lockdown has become a monotonous routine. I find it strange to be in September already.
Not everyone would make a good parent or want to be one. That’s fine. There’s so many ways to live a whole life. But for me, becoming a parent made time simultaneously slow right down and race by.
I’m typing with one thumb as I rock my youngest to sleep so I’ll keep it short: you do countless things every single week that you probably never would have done again. And as they grow up those things constantly change. Variety keeps my weeks feeling absolutely loaded with meaningful segments. But it also flies by given how fast they grow as people.
Off the top of my head, this weekend only: climbed a playground, ran through a sprinkler, sidewalk chalk, played Mario 2, made trains from construction paper, remembered how to draw a star with one stroke. I danced and I sang.
It truly does slow life right down subjectively. I’m cherishing every moment. I didn’t think it was going to be this fulfilling.
I feel like the opposite. I think internet is more boring every passing day, so even if I'm doing something (like reading hackernews right now), I'm very, very bored. But having HN to read I don't engage in a real activity that could be an interesting physical or social interaction.
I have independently 'discovered' the relation between novelty, the momentary feeling of time passing and the retrospective feeling of time passed when I was a teenager.
They go in opposite directions:
- novelty -> time flies in the moment but seems much expanded when you remember it
- boring and repetitive activity -> time seems to crawl in the moment but in memory it seems to vanish
Another way to increase the subjective feeling of time is to be a parent.
Be somewhere you don't want to be and where it is not much (work) to be done.
Seriously: Few years back, we had the draft in Germany and these were the longest 9 months of my life. Especially the first 3 (bootcamp style) seemed never to end: Days felt like weeks! Even though later on the people around were kind of ok, the time kept dragging on...
You often hear the same kind of story from prisoners.
In all seriousness: My time there really got me thinking especially if I compare it with how fast a year passes by nowadays...
There is something more to be said for the premium we put on time. We've adopted apt phrases like time is money. And it tends to be described with words like priceless, valuable, precious.
The relationship we've created with time makes us want to rush through things quickly. This is where the "time flies" feeling can come from. It actually makes us less resourceful and less productive. By placing less of a premium on time we widen our options in all things - life and work included.
[+] [-] plmpsu|5 years ago|reply
Catch-22
The full quote is worth your while:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/496826-dunbar-loved-shootin...
[+] [-] j-james|5 years ago|reply
It's admittedly a long read, but one of the funniest books I've ever read, chock-full of absurd conversations and timeless satire.
https://bookshop.org/books/catch-22-9781451626650/9781451626...
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This also happened to me when spending six weeks backpacking in Europe. At some point, the novelty itself became routine. Another castle, another hostel, another view, another language, another transit system. I knew it was time to head back to home base when I felt like I was losing the capacity to be awed by things that were objectively awesome. A couple weeks of being stationary was all it took to get that back a bit.
In order to slow down time, you need not just novelty, but also changes in real circumstances.
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[+] [-] Hokusai|5 years ago|reply
Yes. Similar experience here. I moved countries at 40. The first few months it feel like being 20 years younger. I wanted to see everything and went around discovering each place possible.
But, I am not young anymore. Nowadays, my new country is my new home and it feel cozy an familiar and time passes faster than ever.
> This also happened to me when spending six weeks backpacking in Europe.
For me it took longer. I have visited Japan 5 times, usually 5-6 weeks each time. I have visited temples, museums, parks, events, ... The last time I spend half of the time shopping. As, I felt that each new temple is similar to the previous one.
Even traveling to South Korea, and China it does not slows time so much. I guess that the similarities with other Asian countries makes my brain feel like "I have seen that one before".
I would be very interested in knowing if the problem is just age or to have seen already many things. Probably a combination of both.
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[+] [-] vanviegen|5 years ago|reply
Doing something dull, repetitive, routine will seem to take a long time in the moment. However, looking back it won't leave the impression of a lot of time having pased, as your brain will compress similar experiences into one.
The article argues for trying to slow down time looking back (which makes sense to me), but some comments in this thread (bringing up things like meditation) are talking about slowness it the moment.
[+] [-] beardbound|5 years ago|reply
These days I try to fill my free time with things I consider substantive. Projects, long leisurely meals with friends and family, interesting trips, good books, good food, etc. however at this moment some of those are in short supply so I’m trying to rekindle old hobbies like writing, tinkering, and music.
[+] [-] llarsson|5 years ago|reply
Kidding aside, meditation can help, as can just being out in nature without keeping your mind busy by stressing out with a screen in front of you.
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Meditation goes very quickly for me if I am comfortable, but if I have any kind of sitting pain, it is an unbearable odyssey.
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Since moving to the valley and getting absorbed in work, we've stopped doing things. We'll try a new restaurant every week, and maybe go on a day trip every few months. We're coming up on our two year anniversary of moving here and frankly I feel like we could just move on and forget the entire chapter of our life. The last two years feel like 6 months, and that's only because we got married last year and took a week long honeymoon.
If I look back through my photo album, there is a startling difference in the number of pictures I've taken too. I've started forcing myself to just take random pictures now and then just so I don't end up without a record of this time in my life.
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Some claim that time feels quicker as you get older because each passing minute is a smaller and smaller portion of your life(e.g. summer for a 6 year old is 5% of their life, whereas it is only half a percent of the life of a 50 year old). But I don't buy that.
Time goes quicker as you get older because people get stuck in the same routine, and it is quite easy to compress memories together when you do the same thing every day. So, go explore, every day, even if it is just mental exploration through books or music, and time will surely slow down.
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In principle, one might use TACS (transcranial alternating current stimulation) or other rhythmic stimuli to entrain IAP and boost one's frame rate. Present work shows that TACS can lower the frame rate, making people more likely to fuse flickers than distinguish them [2].
[1] https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.11.089771v1....
[2] https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2020.0176...
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Prediction: Pro gamers will soon need to be divided between normal and “implant enchanced” categories in leagues
[+] [-] nestorD|5 years ago|reply
The interesting part is that it works and has measurable results. From memory, subjects that have been made to feel that times goes slower would be able to count more objects in the same (objective) time.
[+] [-] barbs|5 years ago|reply
I would have thought most people would be feeling the opposite. After the initial disruption, life in lockdown has become a monotonous routine. I find it strange to be in September already.
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Not everyone would make a good parent or want to be one. That’s fine. There’s so many ways to live a whole life. But for me, becoming a parent made time simultaneously slow right down and race by.
I’m typing with one thumb as I rock my youngest to sleep so I’ll keep it short: you do countless things every single week that you probably never would have done again. And as they grow up those things constantly change. Variety keeps my weeks feeling absolutely loaded with meaningful segments. But it also flies by given how fast they grow as people.
Off the top of my head, this weekend only: climbed a playground, ran through a sprinkler, sidewalk chalk, played Mario 2, made trains from construction paper, remembered how to draw a star with one stroke. I danced and I sang.
It truly does slow life right down subjectively. I’m cherishing every moment. I didn’t think it was going to be this fulfilling.
[+] [-] brokenmachine|5 years ago|reply
It's not for me, but it's nice to hear people who actually enjoy it, not just going through the motions because "that's what people do".
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They go in opposite directions:
- novelty -> time flies in the moment but seems much expanded when you remember it
- boring and repetitive activity -> time seems to crawl in the moment but in memory it seems to vanish
Another way to increase the subjective feeling of time is to be a parent.
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[+] [-] Roybot|5 years ago|reply
The relationship we've created with time makes us want to rush through things quickly. This is where the "time flies" feeling can come from. It actually makes us less resourceful and less productive. By placing less of a premium on time we widen our options in all things - life and work included.
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