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parsimoniousplb | 5 years ago

There are no democracies being "toppled" via instagram, there are only some liberal parties being voted out of office as their policies have been massive failures, which is democracy working as intended.

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burlesona|5 years ago

You should read this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44244963-breaking-the-tw...

I agree that democracy in the US is shaky, but it has more to do with failures of both sides caused by the system. Really worthwhile read.

parsimoniousplb|5 years ago

Lower case liberal was meant as in Liberalism, the wider movement that came out of the Enlightenment and most certainly includes parties from "both sides". Traditional conservative parties are being rejected as well.

colejohnson66|5 years ago

Their policies are only failures if you’re looking through the eyes of a conservative. The left sees the world differently than the right, and, as such, focus on different issues. To the left, Trump has been an absolute failure, but the right adores him. Who’s right?

The right hates Gavin Newsom; They’re on their third recall attempt. But he wasn’t elected for no reason; He was elected because his campaign promises were what the people who put him there wanted.

That’s democracy working as intended as well.

burlesona|5 years ago

It’s not that simple. Newsom has accomplished little of his agenda and it’s not because of “the right,” which hardly exists in California. The Democrats in California torpedoed the latest housing bill, which merely attempted to legalize duplexes statewide, evoking the apocalyptic destruction of single family neighborhoods as it’s result.

The world is also not as simple as “left” and “right,” and I’ve found that it’s unwise to tell someone else what it’s like from their POV. We should instead speak for ourselves, and be genuinely interested and curious why others think the way they do.

parsimoniousplb|5 years ago

They are failures in the eyes of people who used to vote for them but now don't. This is not a left/right thing. Neither is the wider liberal movement that includes most conservative parties, a destinction most likely lost on US-based uppercase Liberals who interpert my comment as a attack on them. It is an observation about the wider liberal project that is in decline everywhere.