[braythwayt]

"Wait until I find out?" Don't patronize me, I am keenly aware of automobile deaths, and furthermore, it's a complicated problem to solve for many, many reasons, some of which are caused by greed, lack of oversight, recklessness, and other social issues.

Nevertheless, in my lifetime cars have gotten safer by several metrics, most notably by distance traveled.[1] And they did not get better by thinking that driving around in deathtraps without seat belts and swigging whisky behind the wheel was acceptable.

They got better when people like Nader and MADD stood up and defied arguments like yours and loudly complained that yes, the system was BROKEN and needed to be fixed.

And then other people went about trying to fix automobile safety. Imperfectly. In fits and starts. And sometimes entirely wrongly. But nevertheless, progress happened when people attempted to fix things they acknowledged were broken.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

[kortilla]

> They got better when people like Nader and MADD stood up and defied arguments like yours

I don’t think you understand. Cars are still killing thousands of people and the system is not considered broken right now. You’re emotionally lashing out and assuming I’m promoting drinking and driving when I said no such thing.

The entire point is that deaths alone do not indicate a broken system. Society is riddled with acceptable death rates in countless industries and people don’t childishly accuse politicians of being “okay with people dying”.

There is a world where nobody can accept any deaths and then there is reality where the adults exist and make trade-offs to have a functioning society.