[controversy]

Please. At this point, both blacks and Indians are able to take various Federal and State monies to be the best they can be. The Indians have relative sovereignty. They could take their federal and casino monies and plow them into an R&D bonanza. Blacks in the US have a golden ticket to pretty much any institution they wish to attend. Both have had trillions of US dollars plowed into their communities over the year via various government spending.

At this point they have redress. They have agency. They even have adulthood, much to the chagrin of the Democratic party. Blacks and Indians should be like a wiser Arab nation. They have a pool of funds. Use it to make a better world for their people. Stop keeping people on the plantation/reservation.

[jasonwatkinspdx]

My parents were in high school while segregation still existed. There's no question they got opportunities many black americans the same age did not, which absolutely had a direct and significant impact on my life.

Redlining remained legal into the 70s, and was continued with the thinnest of fig leafs concealing it into the 90s. Covert discrimination in loan and rental applications continues to this day.

Many studies repeated even today continue to confirm that racial discrimination in job applications remains a very real thing.

Wealth is strongly generational, and we aren't even 1 generation away from dramatic and legalized inequalities.

Your last paragraph is the most telling. Were black and native americans somehow not adults before today? Pools of funds? Have you ever driven through a reservation that wasn't a casino? The many underinvested urban areas that remain from the era of white flight and redlining?

We see you and what you are thinking here clearly. The world is moving on from such bigotry, as should you.

[chrischen]

As you pointed out by “their people,” they clearly have a distinct cultural community. And if nepotism and inheritance, and favoritism has any effect in the preservation and continuation of wealth within cultural and racial bounds across generations, then it stands the damage done to black people can last for many generations. This is of course before even considering the hurdles and barriers actively placed upon black people by people who seem to think they must be fundamentally oppressed.

Yes affirmative action is just a bandaid, but it’s necessary due to the symptoms of injustice and oppression still being present.

[ipsocannibal]

So by your comment I think you agree with me. I'm not going to be prescriptive in how this power imbalance should be addressed as I really don't know.

You seem to be of the opinion that we have as a society attempted to resolve this imbalance with wealth and government programs. However due to the unfortunate characteristics of those affected communities they have failed. Likewise, if these communities would only be like other groups of your choosing they would be much better off and societies' efforts at redress would not have been wasted. Is this correct?

I think this might be relevant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/01/08/how-democr...

[dang]

You can't post like this regardless of how bad another account is. It's against the site rules because it destroys the commons, which helps no one and makes nothing better.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and not post in the flamewar style generally, we'd be grateful.

[zo1]

I don't think it's constructive at all to just call someone a "tool" and suggest it's because they only consume a certain kind of literature.